does your ticket need conditioned for rogue dogs ?

[martyn52]

The condition I have on my certificate is the .243 22/250rifle serial number xxxxxxxxx and ammunition shall be used For the shooting of dogs which are worrying livestock on land over the holder has lawful authority to shoot, with the express or implied authority of the land owner of the land or livestock in accordance with section 9, Animals act1971 yours martyn

 

[2130martin]

feel for you mate,hope i am never put in that position......think i would use the lack of condition as my get out clause........

 

[VSS]

but I would sure as hell make sure that he pikeys dog was on video !!

Why assume pikeys?
In my experience it's mostly family pets that cause the damage. Last time it happened here it was an ordinary guy out for a walk with his two young daughters and and the family pooch.
In fact, everytime I've had to dispose of a dog it's been an ordinary family pet, not a stray or a farm dog or a travellers dog.

Times past, when I've done the "right thing" and 'phoned police or dog warden instead of pulling the trigger, they've just said "you should have shot it, mate. Less hassle for everyone".

But yes, getting some photos or video clip first is a good idea.

Last couple of times it happened to my sheep I also insisted that the dog's owner accompanied me to the vet with the injured sheep and payed all the bills, and payed for the value of any that were killed / put down, and payed the carcass disposal costs.

 

[Shabz]

Shabz, L&B or Strathclyde?L&B explained to me that they condition calibres for the largest quarry, should you choose to shoot rats or corws with your .243 that is up to you.the calibre has been issued with the "good reason" stated as deer and foxI do not think your interpretation of the expanding ammo is correct, you have authority to "posses, purchase or acquire" expanding ammo in relation to shooting deer. that is the good reason for you to have the ammo, not the limitation.It does not mean you cannot "humanely kill an animal" because is not listed as the reason you have expanding ammo.I know that sounds like a double negative but in law the statement must be in the negative rather than implied by omission of the negative.if you have authority to shoot rampaging dogs you can do so with expanding or non-expanding ammo.

It's L&B. Does that mean I'm ok to shoot crows then?? I've been wondering about that.

 

[bewsher500]

according to the email i have yes, but as i asked in another thread and of the firearms office ......who is going to enforce these "rules" even if I didnt have the email

 

[Sharpie]

A few years ago there was a nasty case of sheep "worrying" i.e. wholesale slaughter by a pair of GSD, near me (Sussex). 30 dead and injured ISTR.

The farmer did what he had to do.

Despite the clear evidence ( a field full of dead and dying sheep) the Police insisted that the dogs be post-mortemed to find evidence that they were responsible.

Fortunately the vet who did the job (after seeing to the dying sheep) was able to find wool and flesh in their stomachs, nevermind the gore on their muzzles.

I don't know what would have been the outcome for the farmer if the evidence hadn't been found. The police certainly were not on his side.

The dogs' owner was not prosecuted either.

 

[mel]

Nothing to add on the subject - except one of the best threads that has been discussed in a while and pretty informative.

Mel

 

[jack]

BBC NEWS | Scotland | Edinburgh, East and Fife | Sheep-worrying dogs 'may be shot'

Sheep-worrying dogs 'may be shot'


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Police officers warn that sheep worrying can kills unborn lambs

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Police are warning dog owners that their animals may be shot dead if they are seen worrying sheep. The message follows an incident in Pittenweem, Fife, in which two dogs were allowed by their owners to run freely through a flock of sheep.
Fife Constabulary said farmers had a duty of care towards livestock and were legally entitled to shoot a dog if it was causing distress.
Ch Insp Alistair McKeen urged people not to risk losing their family pet.
He said: "Dog owners should make themselves aware of the countryside law and ensure they have total control of their dog at all times, especially in the coming weeks as the lambing season approaches.
"It should also be borne in mind that farmers have a duty of care to their animals and are legally entitled to take action against any dog who causes distress to livestock by being on farm land without permission and while not under the control of its owners.
"This could result in a much-loved pet being shot for worrying livestock, with no recourse open to the pet owner."

 

[Taff]

Remember if you shoot the dog don,t remove it, until the police give you the go ahead it's not your property, shotgun is the best weapon, I keep a box of bbs for this sole reason, never shot a dog owned by a pikey yet as most seem to be stock trained, usually your family pet, only had one dog attack this yr, got the call to late, last yr we post 4 lambs 1ewe and a calf.