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You may want to consider redacting your address in that photo.
Agree though, what a load of rubbish and it shows that whoever examined it didn’t really understand what they were looking at.
The response is also poor - that’s that and don’t bother contacting us again as we won’t respond.
It’s particularly poor given that (I assume) they were delivering these under their general role delivering international post when it gets here, so no one had actually chosen to use them.
Agree though, what a load of rubbish and it shows that whoever examined it didn’t really understand what they were looking at.
The response is also poor - that’s that and don’t bother contacting us again as we won’t respond.
It’s particularly poor given that (I assume) they were delivering these under their general role delivering international post when it gets here, so no one had actually chosen to use them.
Sinistral
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Not at all surprised you missed this, Ken. It's ITAR again. 
I hope you got your asking, and P&P up front. These regulations are not only affecting shooters.
They're also killing the cartridge collecting trade by IAA hobbyists who are harmless.
www.ecfr.gov
www.ecfr.gov
(b) Expended ammunition cartridge cases may also be transferred or donated when the recipient certifies that the spent brass will be reloaded and used only for law enforcement purposes. If there is no Federal or State donation interest in the cases, and a sale of the scrap is not feasible, cartridge cases may be disposed of using abandonment or destruction procedures. The recipient must certify that the expended cartridge cases will not be used for the original manufactured purpose.
I hope you got your asking, and P&P up front. These regulations are not only affecting shooters.
They're also killing the cartridge collecting trade by IAA hobbyists who are harmless.
Federal Register :: Request Access
www.ecfr.gov
Federal Register :: Request Access
www.ecfr.gov
(b) Expended ammunition cartridge cases may also be transferred or donated when the recipient certifies that the spent brass will be reloaded and used only for law enforcement purposes. If there is no Federal or State donation interest in the cases, and a sale of the scrap is not feasible, cartridge cases may be disposed of using abandonment or destruction procedures. The recipient must certify that the expended cartridge cases will not be used for the original manufactured purpose.
Not at all surprised you missed this, Ken. It's ITAR again.
I hope you got your asking, and P&P up front. These regulations are not only affecting shooters.
They're also killing the cartridge collecting trade by IAA hobbyists who are harmless.
Federal Register :: Request Access
Federal Register :: Request Access
(b) Expended ammunition cartridge cases may also be transferred or donated when the recipient certifies that the spent brass will be reloaded and used only for law enforcement purposes. If there is no Federal or State donation interest in the cases, and a sale of the scrap is not feasible, cartridge cases may be disposed of using abandonment or destruction procedures. The recipient must certify that the expended cartridge cases will not be used for the original manufactured purpose.
Relevance? Absolutely zero.
It is not ITAR that is the problem per se, it is the fact that is quite poorly drafted and very few people understand it. The default response is always "no".
It isn't, but very few people in the chain know how to navigate the apparent hurdle, so the default answer is always "NO".
Unfortunately, whoever examined it was sort of right. In the US, imports of ammunition or its component parts (including inert metal things such as cases, bullets, etc) requires an import permit from the ATF. Although in my eyes, if you didnt have the appropriate paperwork, it should have been sent on and held/destroyed by US Customs & Border Protection rather than Royal Mail binning them for you.
Without the appropriate permit, it is.
17 squirrel
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Just out of interest Ken, what did you put them down as on the customs declaration ?
kenbro
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Brass cases.
KB.
Ps. Done it many times since ITAR came into force without problem.
I think they just pick a parcel to look at, and sometimes you can get unlucky.
I thank you Sir.
Ken.
kenbro
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Funny thing is, they were made in America Hornady) and were just going home.
kenbro
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KB.
Hard to send them on when they’re not allowed in the country!
KB.
kenbro
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Same applies to someone wanting to export similar out of US.
Hi Sinistral,Not at all surprised you missed this, Ken. It's ITAR again.
I hope you got your asking, and P&P up front. These regulations are not only affecting shooters.
They're also killing the cartridge collecting trade by IAA hobbyists who are harmless.
Federal Register :: Request Access
Federal Register :: Request Access
(b) Expended ammunition cartridge cases may also be transferred or donated when the recipient certifies that the spent brass will be reloaded and used only for law enforcement purposes. If there is no Federal or State donation interest in the cases, and a sale of the scrap is not feasible, cartridge cases may be disposed of using abandonment or destruction procedures. The recipient must certify that the expended cartridge cases will not be used for the original manufactured purpose.
I’m well aware of ITAR as it changed things dramatically for me when those regs appeared.
This was a gift to a very good friend in Baltimore and I took a chance.
No big deal really, less than $100 total.
Got a reamer coming the other way and they are definitely NOT ITAR items.
Thanks, Ken.
Oh well...at least you have something to show for it all
kenbro
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Got 10 shotguns going anytime soon so they might cadge a lift.Oh well...at least you have something to show for it all
Note what it says on the plastic packaging just to the upper left of the ‘DO NOT FLY’ sticker.
Ken.
Just opened it and a letter inside.
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