DSC 1 - how does it work?

Musketeer

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I currently use .17 hmr for pest control, mostly rabbits, but I really want to get into deer stalking. I have been on a paid stalk, and I have been out with a local guy for the sake of experience.

I thought I had a mentor lined up but that fell through. Then I had another (the local guy), but the FEO said that he needed to have an open certificate, but he hasn't.

So, can I ask, if I complete a DSC1 will that be enough to get a .243 on my certificate? The FEO said that a course would be useful... but its a lot of money if after it is complete I still can't get a rifle.

How does this work?
What is the best thing to do?

and what happens on a course?

sorry for the questions, but I seem to be going around in circles.
 
Generally speaking to get a rifle you have to need one. For a deer legal centre fire you need one of the three reasons:-

1. Been on and plan to go on paid stalks. Letter or email proving this is normally fine.
2. Have access to suitable land. I believe this needs to be cleared already for the calibre you ask for, but some forces might do the clearing when you apply using that bit of land.
3. This isn’t useful for deer stalking but you can get a centre fire deer legal rifle by being a member of a shooting club. Typically though they will restrict use of said rifle to ranges only.

I would say you are already ticking points 1 and maybe 2 from the above list and as you already have an FAC you tick the other FAC requirements as well.

DSC on here is like marmite to be honest. Some love and some don’t. Personally if you don’t have access to a mentor and are setting off alone on your stalking journey I would say it’s worth doing for you. The police like it because it’s a certificate you can point at and say you have been “trained” or at least certified by someone. They tend to be all about risk and liability and paper training ticks that box. Important to say though it’s not a requirement to have an FAC for a deer legal calibre. Thousands on here have chosen the non DSC route I expect each for their own reasons.
 
All you need to do is show that you have "good reason" for the calibre you're asking for. And not be a criminal, or mad, or anything like that.
DSC1 is not a requirement. Having somewhere to shoot, and something to shoot at, is. If you haven't got your own land then you book some paid stalks or get an invite from a friend.
Having said that, DSC1 is good thing to do. You'll learn a lot and meet some interesting like-minded folk.
 
No one can guarantee that a DSC1 will let you be granted a 243 on your ticket, but having it will certainly not do your application any harm.

Getting into deer stalking is going to lead you along a path where plenty of choices have to be made - calibre, rifle, ammunition, optics, knives, deer (species, sex, age, etc) and so on.

At the moment your choice is "how to acquire a deer legal rifle?"

IMHO you basically have two options.

Option A - as has been point out already, DSC1 is not a formal pre-requisite for being granted permission to hold a deer legal rifle. There will be plenty of people on the Internet who will point this out to you, and they are 100% correct. Some might even suggest that you take up the battle with your local FEO so that you can insist on your rights. Just keep in mind that few, if any, of them will be lawyers specialising in Firearms Law. None, I suspect, will offer you any practical help. All, I would guess, will already have deer legal rifles on their tickets. By all means follow their advice, and best wishes if you choose to do so, but citing them in evidence as the "good reason" why you should be granted permission to hold a deer legal rifle on your FAC is unlikely to yield much success. At the end of the day you may get granted your .243, but you won't have learned anything about deer and deer stalking along the way.

Option B - you say in your opening sentence that "I really want to get into deer stalking ". If that's really your goal then I'd suggest you focus on that. There are plenty of rifles for sale because someone was 100% convinced they wanted to get into deer stalking but then lost the enthusiasm or moved onto something else. In your case you say that you have already been on a paid stalk and accompanied someone else for the experience, which is a great start and shows real commitment, but as well as commitment what many FEO's will want to see is some knowledge and experience from the applicant when it comes to both firearms and the quarry you intend to pursue.

To get this knowledge you have another choice. You can carry on going out (either paid or with a mate) until you have built up a bit of a portfolio of experience, and then use that (plus evidence, perhaps, of some future paid stalks) when you submit your request. That's how I got my FAC. It's not cheap, though, unless you can find someone who will do it for mates rates or for nothing. It sounds from your post like you've already been down that path.

Alternatively you can go on a course like the DSC1, where you will learn about deer, the relevant legislation, firearms and ballistics, safety, etc. Yes, it costs some money that you could otherwise spend on stalking, but in the grand scheme of things it will be peanuts if you really get bitten by the bug! In addition you are likely to meet some like-minded people amongst the tutors and attendees that may help you on your journey. You will come out of it knowing far more about deer and deer stalking. There are lots of DSC1 providers out there, so have a look at their websites to see what the course covers. You'll also find lots of very useful information on this site. Keep in mind that all the approved providers follow the same curriculum, which is set (and assessed) by DMQ - you can find their summary of the course here: DSC1 – Deer Management Qualification

Personally I enjoyed the DSC1 - I learned a lot, met some like-minded people, had a lot of fun, and made some acquaintances and friendships that have lasted me throughout my time in stalking.

I am sure others here will have different opinions, and different advice to give. My opinion is just my own (and you know what they say about opinions!), but whatever path you choose to follow I wish you success, both in getting your .243 and getting into deer stalking.
 
No one can guarantee that a DSC1 will let you be granted a 243 on your ticket, but having it will certainly not do your application any harm.

Getting into deer stalking is going to lead you along a path where plenty of choices have to be made - calibre, rifle, ammunition, optics, knives, deer (species, sex, age, etc) and so on.

At the moment your choice is "how to acquire a deer legal rifle?"

IMHO you basically have two options.

Option A - as has been point out already, DSC1 is not a formal pre-requisite for being granted permission to hold a deer legal rifle. There will be plenty of people on the Internet who will point this out to you, and they are 100% correct. Some might even suggest that you take up the battle with your local FEO so that you can insist on your rights. Just keep in mind that few, if any, of them will be lawyers specialising in Firearms Law. None, I suspect, will offer you any practical help. All, I would guess, will already have deer legal rifles on their tickets. By all means follow their advice, and best wishes if you choose to do so, but citing them in evidence as the "good reason" why you should be granted permission to hold a deer legal rifle on your FAC is unlikely to yield much success. At the end of the day you may get granted your .243, but you won't have learned anything about deer and deer stalking along the way.

Option B - you say in your opening sentence that "I really want to get into deer stalking ". If that's really your goal then I'd suggest you focus on that. There are plenty of rifles for sale because someone was 100% convinced they wanted to get into deer stalking but then lost the enthusiasm or moved onto something else. In your case you say that you have already been on a paid stalk and accompanied someone else for the experience, which is a great start and shows real commitment, but as well as commitment what many FEO's will want to see is some knowledge and experience from the applicant when it comes to both firearms and the quarry you intend to pursue.

To get this knowledge you have another choice. You can carry on going out (either paid or with a mate) until you have built up a bit of a portfolio of experience, and then use that (plus evidence, perhaps, of some future paid stalks) when you submit your request. That's how I got my FAC. It's not cheap, though, unless you can find someone who will do it for mates rates or for nothing. It sounds from your post like you've already been down that path.

Alternatively you can go on a course like the DSC1, where you will learn about deer, the relevant legislation, firearms and ballistics, safety, etc. Yes, it costs some money that you could otherwise spend on stalking, but in the grand scheme of things it will be peanuts if you really get bitten by the bug! In addition you are likely to meet some like-minded people amongst the tutors and attendees that may help you on your journey. You will come out of it knowing far more about deer and deer stalking. There are lots of DSC1 providers out there, so have a look at their websites to see what the course covers. You'll also find lots of very useful information on this site. Keep in mind that all the approved providers follow the same curriculum, which is set (and assessed) by DMQ - you can find their summary of the course here: DSC1 – Deer Management Qualification

Personally I enjoyed the DSC1 - I learned a lot, met some like-minded people, had a lot of fun, and made some acquaintances and friendships that have lasted me throughout my time in stalking.

I am sure others here will have different opinions, and different advice to give. My opinion is just my own (and you know what they say about opinions!), but whatever path you choose to follow I wish you success, both in getting your .243 and getting into deer stalking.


Thank you for this, very helpful.
 
The other aspect of doing the DSC1, in your local area if possible, is that it can lead to making good contacts with people who may be in a position to help you. When I did the course I know that at least one lad managed to get some additional shooting through another candidate. There were some very experienced stalkers including 3 gamekeepers on my course.
 
You have to have good reason. Up here it is common to either book hind stalk or something or ask a friend if you can shoot on his farm or land. Then it’s all straightforward first time of asking for me open certification all legal quarry, as I said I will be shooting all over scotland and Pursue deer boar and fox.
Of course I have done my DSC 1 and would recommend it. Do it now before you get cynical about it! You’ll learn lots
Ironically I have yet to get round to shooting on my friends farm who vouched for my fac... one of these days lol
 
I currently use .17 hmr for pest control, mostly rabbits, but I really want to get into deer stalking. I have been on a paid stalk, and I have been out with a local guy for the sake of experience.

I thought I had a mentor lined up but that fell through. Then I had another (the local guy), but the FEO said that he needed to have an open certificate, but he hasn't.

So, can I ask, if I complete a DSC1 will that be enough to get a .243 on my certificate? The FEO said that a course would be useful... but its a lot of money if after it is complete I still can't get a rifle.

How does this work?
What is the best thing to do?

and what happens on a course?

sorry for the questions, but I seem to be going around in circles.
PM'd you.
 
My view of the DSC 1 was a good day doing the assessment, as I didn’t bother doing the course as I been stalking for over 7 years before.
I can honestly say it’s got me absolutely nothing, no stalking or any help with licensing.
The coarse providers give the impression it’s a leap forward to stalking utopia, while obtaining syndicate places it’s now useful, but don’t think it’s the key to many doors.
Would I do it again ? Probably because I enjoyed the day . Would I advise a newbie to do the course ? Probably because it will teach them some etiquette , but don’t expect too much shooting from the experience
 
My view of the DSC 1 was a good day doing the assessment, as I didn’t bother doing the course as I been stalking for over 7 years before.
I can honestly say it’s got me absolutely nothing, no stalking or any help with licensing.
The coarse providers give the impression it’s a leap forward to stalking utopia, while obtaining syndicate places it’s now useful, but don’t think it’s the key to many doors.
Would I do it again ? Probably because I enjoyed the day . Would I advise a newbie to do the course ? Probably because it will teach them some etiquette , but don’t expect too much shooting from the experience
Exactly , sold to newbies as the golden ticket to stalking ..... a quick look in classifieds tell a different tale with lads with Dsc 1 and 2 desperate for ground and syndicates
 
Generally speaking to get a rifle you have to need one. For a deer legal centre fire you need one of the three reasons:-

1. Been on and plan to go on paid stalks. Letter or email proving this is normally fine.
2. Have access to suitable land. I believe this needs to be cleared already for the calibre you ask for, but some forces might do the clearing when you apply using that bit of land.

Yes I have permission to shoot, (500 acres) the landowner is keen I manage the deer (Roe) on his land and the land is cleared for calibres larger than the .243 I would request.
In addition, I would be doing paid stalks in the future.
 
Many forces now require that evidence of "Good Reason" is presented and of your suitability from a handling and experience perspective. As one FEO once put it to me "the licencing manager wants to know that you are not a risk before letting you loose to roam the countryside with a .308 in your hands".

Whilst it is not a requirement per-se, it is reasonable for any Chief Constable to request that any or all applicants demonstrate by way of evidence suitable experience and knowledge of safe handling which to me is a reasonable expectation. Ask yourself these questions:
  • How long have I shot with a rimfire and have I described safe handling technique and checks on supplementary information attached to my application?
  • what experience (club or by association with another shooter or organisation) do I have with centrefire?(a nice to have but not a requirement)
  • what is my quarry species and are they identified by the landowner as requiring control?
  • Is the calibre being requested appropriate for that species?
  • Have I written permission off the landowner for this purpose and for those calibres?
  • Would I benefit from any formal training or do I think I need it?
  • Do I know my land area well and have I shown knowledge of safe shooting areas with backstops, public rights of way, boundaries etc?
You can see where DSC1 might come in useful from a safe handling perspective but it's by no means an expectation nor does it guarantee that your certificate would be granted. Not a bad idea to go on a DSC course though as you do learn something even if experienced.

Point is, that it is not for the granting authority to grant on the basis of your past record in terms of being of good character, but for you to evidence good reason and safe handling and provide that evidence as supplementary documentation with your application. The more that you can provide and the more that you can reassure the head of licencing and therefore the CC, the more likely you are to be granted your centrefire. My first application was for .223 and .308 and I was granted that first time due to sufficient evidence being provided with the application. Make it easy for them and you'll make it easy for yourself.
 
Yes I have permission to shoot, (500 acres) the landowner is keen I manage the deer (Roe) on his land and the land is cleared for calibres larger than the .243 I would request.
In addition, I would be doing paid stalks in the future.
Hell...I’d put in for a .338 lap mag. Sure to raise a few eyebrows. :finger:
DG
 
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