DSC2 costs... BASC v BDS v NGO

J@son

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I am think about signing up for DSC2 and was surprised to see that the cost of registering is £250 through the NGO (or £350 for non-members) but £180 through the BDS and just £150 through BASC.

... am I missing something? Why such a wide variation in costs? Do different organisations supply different resources or different levels of support?
 
I did mine with NGO at half that. I would say the backup was excellent and the support from them was overall brilliant. (I’ve done courses with all 3 and them and BDS are the better).
 
The NGO shop says the cost is £120 - or £150 for non-members:

I'm confused Willie, the link you posted shows the cost to be £250 for members and £399 for non members. I was quite surprised at those costs, am I misunderstanding it. I'm sure that's a massive hike on what I have read previously.
 
I'm confused Willie, the link you posted shows the cost to be £250 for members and £399 for non members. I was quite surprised at those costs, am I misunderstanding it. I'm sure that's a massive hike on what I have read previously.
This is what I see…..

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I see what you mean though. When clicking on “CLICK HERE” it shows this page:

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To the OP, I suggest you give the NGO a call and get the answer from them. £120 seems much more realistic, as I can’t think why it would be £250 let alone £399.
 
I wonder if they've simply forgotten to update that page following the recent changes to DSC2?
Quite possibly, while I'm a member of the NGO and supportive of them I have to admit that they could do a bit better with their website. But there again unlike BASC who do a very good job with theirs they don't have the same number of costly support staff.
 
go with the cheapest. talking to a couple of mates in the know i dont think it is much fun for the organizations to be involved in ds2 but they have to to be able to run ds1 so maybe some deliberate price thremselves out
 
OK - thanks to everyone who has posted. I will ring round. I just wondered if one organisation offered more (in terms of support, resources etc) than another and hence, possibly, the difference in price.
 
Remember you may well have additional witness costs as well.

Yes - thanks for flagging this Lochty. Good point. I have a friend who might be able to help on this front but I'm not sure he is still on the list of approved witnesses. If I end up paying, do you know sort of money we are talking about?
 
Check with the AW before you book.

Some may charge an admin fee on top of the regular stalking outing - ours is £20 IIRC.

Others don’t charge, other than for the stalking

If you have a friendly AW already known to you it may not cost at all.

My most recent witnessed stalk cost a bottle of Laphroaig - which I wasn’t expecting but was very welcome nonetheless.

Edit: presuming here you are stalking on the AW’s ground. If you are stalking on your own ground then assume maybe petrol and time, at worst.
 
Consider also that, if you are registered under the new format for DSC2, then you need to meet the criteria for all PC’s in just the one stalk.

This includes Element 4 (Transport and Store Dead Deer), ideally involving a larder meeting legal requirements. If you don’t have access to one of your own it may be worth seeking out an AW who does.
 
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This includes Element 4 (Transport and Store Dead Deer), ideally involving a larder meeting legal requirements. If you don’t have access to one of your own it may be worth seeking out an AW who does.

Noted - good point - thanks. I will make sure I have this covered.
 
Noted - good point - thanks. I will make sure I have this covered.

You’re very welcome.

It is easy to overlook Element 4, with most Candidates perhaps seeing it as the "easy" bit compared to the stalk and the gralloch, but it carries just as much weight as the other Elements. Whilst there may admittedly be few bragging rights in stalking circles that stem from the ability to accurately maintain cull and larder records, it is still the case that if those Performance Criteria (PC) aren't met, then no DSC2 ;). Also be sure to pay particular attention to PC 3.2 (Dress deer carcass ready to enter the food chain according to legal requirements) and PC 3.6 (Identify and record status of deer carcass).

There’s a whole separate thread somewhere on here discussing the changes from the old format of DSC2 to the new one, and the reduction from 3 Individual Cull Records (ICR) to just the 1. The general view seemed to be that this was a diminution in terms of standards, and that it somehow devalued the overall awarding of the DSC2.

Without wishing to rake over dead coals, my practical experience to date - whilst limited - suggests the exact opposite. Whereas under the old format the Candidate had three attempts to cover all the PC's, now they realistically have to do everything in just one ICR. That raises the bar somewhat, for both Candidate and AW, as it negates the former get-out of “don’t worry, you can cover that in your next ICR”. The Candidate now has to be demonstrably competent across all PC’s, bar none, and ideally in just the one outing.

For the AW's out there, this also means that you have to be in a position to allow the Candidate to demonstrate that competence, which means the Candidate and AW should have a suitable larder available in reasonably close proximity to the stalking ground. This might be fine for a morning stalk, but an evening stalk in high Summer may be quite another matter, particularly if the larder is not on the stalking ground but adjacent to the AW’s home. Lardering at midnight is hardly conducive to familial harmony at the best of times, let alone when followed by car doors slamming and engines starting as the Candidate excitedly departs for home upon successful completion of their ICR! Also, what used to be a 3-hour stalking outing can now easily turn into a 5 or 6-hour witnessing exercise "from field to chiller". I can certainly see it fuelling the debate as to what a Candidate might realistically expect to pay for a witnessed stalk.

There have always been few practical benefits - if any - in being an AW, with most doing it for largely altruistic reasons, at least in my experience. Once the implications of the new format of DSC2 become better appreciated, I can foresee a possible further reduction in the number of available AW’s, as many may either lack suitable facilities or simply see it as all too much of an effort. Let's hope that is not the case.
 
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