Early evening buck

Set out last evening just to have a look round to see what we could, quite a nice evening and looking for the couple of Roe does frequenting an area. The one has a single kid and was on a grass margin but due to the height of the wheat and barley unable to see what was with the other, so hoping to find out.
We have been leaving the Roe alone as they cause us no problems, not having new plantations or crops they really eat.
Travelling along a track my young friend did a very quick halt saying "There's a Roe in the wheat about 100 yards away". I hadn't seen it and it had disappeared, but after a few seconds it's head came up and enabled us to see it was a buck. It hadn't noticed us and it was now you see me now you don't for a while. We both agreed it was an old boy with quite strange antlers (later seen as the eruption of small points 5 in all) on various parts of the normal structure.
We watched him for half an hour in which he didn't seem to move very far. A strange one as over that period he only moved about five yards towards the track still going down to feed and popping his head up occasionally. We decided something was up and agreed if he came out onto the track I would take him. He appeared in the open slowly and I popped one in his chest which dropped him on the spot. We got to him to find he had a freshly smashed knee joint with fresh blood on it and was indeed an old boy in not the best condition. A quick gralloch by the small river, a handy place to wash, and within ten minutes he was in the chiller. A good beast to remove and allow a non injured buck to come when the ladies called.

 

[Ratel]

Personally I can't judge pedicle length, but coronets turned right down, poor condition, and tooth wear indicate age to me. Obviously we have the all seeing, critical eye on board and I assume a caustic reply (ignored, just looking at replies from others). Just wish I was such an ex spurt on wildlife as that chap from whom we only see vitriol at our poor efforts in this world.

 

[baguio]

3 shot this season. The one on the left is clearly a youngster which will be boiled out later today but is 13 months old. The pedicles will grow for some time yet but you can see that the coronets are angled in that is an obvious sign of young age. The next two are also good indicators and I have the jaws boiled which show the expected tooth wear, The 3rd one is 3 years old and I think we will all agree, matches the OPs head. You can also see that the thickness of pedicles increases with age. Almost as if what it loses off the top is put around the girth. That's just how it is.

 

[baguio]

Personally I can't judge pedicle length, but coronets turned right down, poor condition, and tooth wear indicate age to me. Obviously we have the all seeing, critical eye on board and I assume a caustic reply (ignored, just looking at replies from others). Just wish I was such an ex spurt on wildlife as that chap from whom we only see vitriol at our poor efforts in this world.

Let's try to keep it sensible for once, eh? It's standard condition for a young deer. The coronets are almost flat and the pedicles are long. I also don't believe that you looked at the teeth and if you had, and knew what you were talking about, you would have seen very little wear. You're the only person who thinks that this is an old deer. (Thankfully).
We should all remember that truly old deer are a rare thing on managed land because nature is harsh. The deer usually runs out of luck (illness, infection, accidents or bullets) long before it runs out of teeth to grind its dinner!

 

[baguio]

Best guess on this one then age that is

You got any front and side on pictures of the head, Stevie? Looks like a good strong buck though. Likely mature though and certainly heavier than anything that I get around my way.

 

[Stevie/P]

Unfortunately not taken May last season

 

[baguio]

Unfortunately not taken May last season

No worries. Out of interest, can you remember what it weighed? The fact that it was still solidly in winter coat in May would also tell you that it had some age to it and wasn't a yearling

 

[Stevie/P]

No worries. Out of interest, can you remember what it weighed? The fact that it was still solidly in winter coat in May would also tell you that it had some age to it and wasn't a yearling

Sadly I didn’t weigh it from what I remember I’d estimate it between 17-20 kg a good friend asked if could supply him some venison so was shot for the table with no consideration too anything else.
At the time I consider it to be an older animal visually speaking.

 

[baguio]

Sadly I didn’t weigh it from what I remember I’d estimate it between 17-20 kg a good friend asked if could supply him some venison so was shot for the table with no consideration too anything else.
At the time I consider it to be an older animal visually speaking.

A roe of 17kgs is a monster around my way. 13-15 is more normal.

 

[Nickb]

A roe of 17kgs is a monster around my way. 13-15 is more normal.

We have heavy weights round here but rubbish heads. Quite usual to get bucks and does weighing 45 - 50 lb here. Heaviest buck taken was a massive 61 lb

 

[Nickb]

How old is this one Baggy

 

[baguio]

How old is this one Baggy
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No idea? Better ask Ratel. He was a pro for hundreds of years so I have to bow to his greater knowledge and experience!

 

[sikamalc]

I doubt it? You don't need to boil the head to take a tooth out.
Regardless, that is a youngster. The pedicle loses 1mm of length approx with every casting as you well know. Therefore an old buck would have short pedicles. Everything about that buck screams young and yet the poster claims to have once been a professional so you would think would have some degree of knowledge? No wonder this industry is so f****** up.
If one person can tell me a single thing about that deer that suggests age, I will listen. I'm not to stubborn as to be prepared to learn! I posted 15hrs ago and no one has yet though.
Lots of people come on here to learn stuff. How can they learn when such horlicks is posted on such a regular basis by the same old people who live on here 20 hrs a day and try to bully everyone else into submission?

The only bully on here is you.
As usual you seem to find it difficult to respond in a polite manner. Lots of people come on here to learn. But not from the likes of you. It's always a poisonous reply, or under hand remark.
Frankly we're all tired of it, and not required on here.

 

[stalkerboydy]

The only bully on here is you.
As usual you seem to find it difficult to respond in a polite manner. Lots of people come on here to learn. But not from the likes of you. It's always a poisonous reply, or under hand remark.
Frankly we're all tired of it, and not required on here.

Let's all pray he takes your advice. I have not replied to this thread until now as i knew where it would end

 

[willowbank]

Tr

Try early 40's you'll be about right. Many have tried, but despite that I'm still here, some of them ain't, circa late 60:s.

A fine looking moustache

WB

 

[Stevie/P]

Let's all pray he takes your advice

 

[Ratel]

Never mind, we all have our cross to bear.