Foxyboy43
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Well, serves them right for eating Ms Van der Leyden’s pony, I suppose…
Wolves could lose EU safeguards, opening way for culls
Wolves could lose EU safeguards, opening way for culls
EU crying wolf,,,,
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Len the dog
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So who’s first up for sitting in a hedgerow at night and trying to call in wolves? I think I’m busy that night. 
I would be first up for whacking a few, they are the root cause for the decline of numbers on Boar drives, also Roe are thinner on the ground too.
Same situation with the Badgers over here, just give them full on blanket protection open ended, & watch the damage to the rest of the wildlife.
Same situation with the Badgers over here, just give them full on blanket protection open ended, & watch the damage to the rest of the wildlife.
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So…it’s ok for us to stalk to reduce the numbers (or manage) the boar and deer but it’s not ok for an apex predator to do that?
Surely you can’t believe that you are better at being an apex predator than a wolf?!
pete evans
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Isn’t the reduction in deer and boar the argument for not culling wolves? And the argument for introducing wolves in countries with high deer populations. As always the solution is probably somewhere in the middle but people tend to take sides in these issues.
So…it’s ok for us to stalk to reduce the numbers (or manage) the boar and deer but it’s not ok for an apex predator to do that?
Surely you can’t believe that you are better at being an apex predator than a wolf?!
Yes humans are much better hunters than wolves. Humans can be selective of what they kill and how they do it. given that I’ve had first hand experience of them in a hunting Revier in Germany I was working in 6 or so years ago. Go and have a look at a load of cattle walking about in agony with their intestines hanging out and their rumps half eaten and you will quickly see my point.Wolves are at such high numbers in some parts of Germany now that certain species of deer like reds and fallow or mouflon etc are virtually extinct . Wolves are awful apex predators. There’s a very good reason why they were removed in the past .
Kindest regards , Olaf
Not many hunters kill 40 sheep at one siting and have horse for desert.So…it’s ok for us to stalk to reduce the numbers (or manage) the boar and deer but it’s not ok for an apex predator to do that?
Surely you can’t believe that you are better at being an apex predator than a wolf?!
Just saying the obvious.
And not forgetting those chained up farmyard dogs.
I would sit up all night for those situations, with an auto.
I would sit up all night for those situations, with an auto.
Read your post again?So…it’s ok for us to stalk to reduce the numbers (or manage) the boar and deer but it’s not ok for an apex predator to do that?
Surely you can’t believe that you are better at being an apex predator than a wolf?!
Also posts from people who live amongst it, & those who have been face to face with them (Ask me how I know)
This item illustrates there are too many of them now, substitute pony for lets say, a young child,camping in the garden for the first time.
Ursula von der Leyen does not dance with wolves. Especially when they go after one of her own.
The tale of the European Commission president and the Big Bad Wolf began a few days shy of the harvest moon on a warm night in the lush horse country of rural Lower Saxony. Sometime after midnight on September 1, a gray wolf slunk into the woodland hamlet of Burgdorf-Beinhorn in search of a meal. The predator found one on a well-guarded compound at the end of one of the settlement’s two roads.
Dolly, 30 years old, didn’t stand a chance. Her cadaver was discovered the next morning in the long grass where she’d been grazing.
Ursula von der Leyen does not dance with wolves. Especially when they go after one of her own.
The tale of the European Commission president and the Big Bad Wolf began a few days shy of the harvest moon on a warm night in the lush horse country of rural Lower Saxony. Sometime after midnight on September 1, a gray wolf slunk into the woodland hamlet of Burgdorf-Beinhorn in search of a meal. The predator found one on a well-guarded compound at the end of one of the settlement’s two roads.
Dolly, 30 years old, didn’t stand a chance. Her cadaver was discovered the next morning in the long grass where she’d been grazing.
Some figures here, Germany has 11,076,000 Hectares of forestry, & Wolves are pretty much out of control (because controls were never put in place).
UK has only 3.2 million Hectares, & the largest portion of this is in Scotland, circa 608,000? 19%? ... the total plonker who suggest /wants to "Rewild & include Wolves" in Scotland is out of his mind.
UK has only 3.2 million Hectares, & the largest portion of this is in Scotland, circa 608,000? 19%? ... the total plonker who suggest /wants to "Rewild & include Wolves" in Scotland is out of his mind.
Mr Tree
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There is a lovely/sinister saying in Germany, when the Barley comes into ear and it gets wet, with the ears fat, & the wind gets up, & it sways from side to side. "The Wolves are in the barley" It was a warning to young children, barley was a lot taller in those days, kids can disappear.
At least from a UK perspective it seems to me that the proposals to re-wild are naïve.
There are very few places, if any, that are truly natural and have not been changed by mans influence, and this is not just in relation to the extinction of native apex predator species, but the environment as a whole.
The point being that we cannot turn the clock back, at least in the short to medium term, in terms of the environment to support a natural ecosystem imho.
How close we can get is a matter for debate, but re-introducing an apex predator will inevitably lead to some unintended consequences. They wont just eat the deer, they're relatively hard to catch compared with farm animals, domesticated animals, garden bins, etc.
Hook'N'Bullet
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Some figures here, Germany has 11,076,000 Hectares of forestry, & Wolves are pretty much out of control (because controls were never put in place).
UK has only 3.2 million Hectares, & the largest portion of this is in Scotland, circa 608,000? 19%? ... the total plonker who suggest /wants to "Rewild & include Wolves" in Scotland is out of his mind.
Not to mention the genetic supplementation from other countries for years. Whos going to pay for that!
FrenchieBoy
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Or Lycra clad mountain bikers who think they can ride wherever they want to like some of the Quad Bikers that we see tearing through Nature Reserves?
Smellydog
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Do you ever want to carry an old slipper and spank a lycra covered arse as it passes?Or Lycra clad mountain bikers who think they can ride wherever they want to like some of the Quad Bikers that we see tearing through Nature Reserves?
Or is just me?
FrenchieBoy
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Frequently!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dunwaters
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We’re more controllable, or at least we should be, and we are actually better at it, whether the aim is simply to reduce numbers, or manage a population to a defined target.So…it’s ok for us to stalk to reduce the numbers (or manage) the boar and deer but it’s not ok for an apex predator to do that?
Surely you can’t believe that you are better at being an apex predator than a wolf?!
I have to comply with seasons, restrictions on where I can hunt, what I can hunt when I get there and what methods and tools I can use to achieve a cull.
Apex predators operate under a black flag, 24x7x365, no close seasons, no sanctuary areas, no regard for age or sex or dependant offspring, anything anywhere, any time is fair game.
At the same time, the apex predators themselves are strictly protected.
If you want management, get humans to do it, if all you want is some fuzzy landscape objective, let the wolves do it but you’ll need a management plan for the wolves and it’ll take time to develop the necessary skillset.
Ask the Swedes.
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