Me too!
Ev farce!
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Wouldn't be at the "Glorious Playground" would it ?
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Bruce
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Bruce
Freeforester
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A couple of grown-ups, on the matters of a) ‘t ain’t possible, and more crucially b) there’s no need, at all:
a)
b)
(See the 200%increase in man-made CO2 levels between 2002-3, and its “huge” impact on the planet. And don’t forget to attach your leeches at the end!)
To suggest that CO2 levels dictate temperature is akin to suggesting that the trailer pushes the (electric) car. It’s the other way around, and it’s too bad Al Gore & co didn’t study a little harder; Will Happer has Al’s little number:
If you’re time-poor as well as being impoverished by the government, try this sub-ten minute bite:
But consider the possibility that those driving the scam assume that nearly everybody will either a) not bother to do their own research, b) swallow whatever crap that is Heap-ed on to them, and c) roll up their sleeve to ‘save grandma’; we all exhale about a kilo of co2 daily, it seems ‘we’ are the carbon they wish to reduce to net zero (excluding themselves, obviously)…
Smellydog
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We were driving through old villages in Wales recently packed with cars so the inhabitants can get to work. We said to ourselves, " how the hell are these folk gonna charge there cars when they are all electric. There will be cables everywhere..."
Utter nonsense.
Franchi Matt
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Bye bye EVs.
Dont let the door hit you in the backside on the way out.
Dont let the door hit you in the backside on the way out.
Scotty99
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You have forgotten the EV tax that will have to be applied to EVs at some point to replace the fuel duty taxation on petrol and diesel.
Freeforester
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A little follow-on Sunday sermon from our Canadian Biden think lookalike:
Smellydog
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Hence smart meters!
Smellydog
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Perfectly put over, the scientific facts out way the aspirations and idylls of dreamers.
Franchi Matt
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Yes - EV owners live in dream land.
They even made a ridiculing meme with these two melon heads f f s
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mchughcb
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My own observation on EV is that the idea that energy will come from somewhere and it will be cheap has not been fully explsined. With no extra power generaion or upgrade to transmission this isn't going to happen soon.
I think EVs are good around cities that are covered in smog. So really bad examples I've visited include Mumbai and Santiago. The reduction in ICE will improve air quality in those particular circumstances however is that what this is all about?
Oil security is another. Are we better off with nuclear power? Are we better off with more mass transit systems?
I think EVs are good around cities that are covered in smog. So really bad examples I've visited include Mumbai and Santiago. The reduction in ICE will improve air quality in those particular circumstances however is that what this is all about?
Oil security is another. Are we better off with nuclear power? Are we better off with more mass transit systems?
mchughcb
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Electric cars will only penetrate so far until significant changes in legislation are required to accelerate approval of the minerals to mine them. Lithium, cobalt, nickel and copper are going to require major so major changes.
The average time to get a decent size copper mine approved and built anywhere in the world after the initial discovery is 18 years. The world is going to need an additional 1 million extra copper tonnes per year, ever year until 2050 for electrification. The world's largest copper mine is Escondida in Chile and that is 1 million tonnes per annum. You need to find and develop one of them per year for 20 years. Not currently achievable.
The average time to get a decent size copper mine approved and built anywhere in the world after the initial discovery is 18 years. The world is going to need an additional 1 million extra copper tonnes per year, ever year until 2050 for electrification. The world's largest copper mine is Escondida in Chile and that is 1 million tonnes per annum. You need to find and develop one of them per year for 20 years. Not currently achievable.
long_range_rob
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I’m not complaining as the Corsa was a dog to drive and had no equipment at all but the Corolla drives beautifully and has loads on onboard toys.
Smellydog
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I would never recommend a vauxhall to anyone, especially my worst enemy, I'm just not that cruel!
long_range_rob
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Ditto, doing 200 miles a day in a vehicle designed to go to Tesco’s and back twice a week is a special kind of hell.
Pete1774
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Another issue which rarely gets a mention is resale value. I understand that the life of a battery pack is about 10 years after which the rage will have reduced considerably and the cost of a replacement will be north of £10K, and in some cases well over £20K. This effectively makes EVs scrap after the first owner. Not only that but there is some argument over who pays to dispose of the used battery pack and it won't be long before to gov decides that owners will be required to contribute to that not inconsiderable cost. Compare that with a 5 year old diesel with 60,000 miles on the clock. It will probably run for a further ten years or more with regular maintenance. If we all have to have EVs which have a short useable/saleable life then the number of vehicles manufactured each year will have to increased dramatically and trading one in will not provide a deposit for the new one because the old one is next to worthless. Ask yourself, would you buy a 5 year old EV at a similar price to a 5 year old ICE vehicle?The ‘Electric Vehicles Will Save The Planet’ Farce Is Unraveling Quickly
- by Steve MacDonald
- August 21, 2022
An auto club in Germany that claims 21 million members ran some controlled charging test electric vehicles to see how efficient that process was. The results put another nail in the value coffin. Not only are they expensive to buy and own, but the average charge also wastes up to 13% of the electricity.
Put another way, the consumer is charged for all the electricity required to fully charge the battery, which is as much as 13% more than the battery can hold.
So, imagine pouring two gallons of gasoline on the ground every time you filled a 20-gallon tank. People would lose their collective minds. But that will be standard for every charge of every vehicle in the utopian electric fleet of the future.
ADAC’s Ecotest calculated the kWh needed to fully charge a range of electric vehicle batteries.
With electricity prices scheduled to double in New Hampshire (as an example) and with the cost of EVs still out of the range of most middle and lower-income families, throwing money out the window with every charge might just as well be another tax.
Line loss or transformer loss is baked into the infrastructure. There is no way to transmit electricity without waste (primarily) in the form of heat. Anywhere from 8-15% or more of the electricity generated by power stations is lost before it gets to you. A carbon footprint problem we’re supposed to ignore.
But not in the ADAC tests. The consumer pays immediately for the loss of every kWh that exceeded the actual electricity needed to charge the battery.
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Your understanding about the life of the battery pack is wrong
EV manufacturers typically give a 7-8 year warranty on the battery pack which says that the pack will be replaced free of charge if it's capacity drops by more than 20% over the period of the warranty
The Tesla model S first went on sale in 2012 and the Nissan Leaf in 2011
There are still plenty of those vehicles around still running on their original batteries and still getting more than 80% of their original range.
Those vehicles still have plenty life left in them,and there is no reason to think they will not outlast ice powered vehicles - in fact there is every reason to think that they will outlast typical ice vehicles - if only because an ev is mechanically far less complex than an ice vehicle with far fewer parts to fail or need costly replacement
The average lifespan of an ice powered vehicle in the UK is 14 years, so those Teslas and Leafs will soon be better than average
Cheers
Bruce
EV manufacturers typically give a 7-8 year warranty on the battery pack which says that the pack will be replaced free of charge if it's capacity drops by more than 20% over the period of the warranty
The Tesla model S first went on sale in 2012 and the Nissan Leaf in 2011
There are still plenty of those vehicles around still running on their original batteries and still getting more than 80% of their original range.
Those vehicles still have plenty life left in them,and there is no reason to think they will not outlast ice powered vehicles - in fact there is every reason to think that they will outlast typical ice vehicles - if only because an ev is mechanically far less complex than an ice vehicle with far fewer parts to fail or need costly replacement
The average lifespan of an ice powered vehicle in the UK is 14 years, so those Teslas and Leafs will soon be better than average
Cheers
Bruce
Smellydog
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Nonsense.Your understanding about the life of the battery pack is wrong
EV manufacturers typically give a 7-8 year warranty on the battery pack which says that the pack will be replaced free of charge if it's capacity drops by more than 20% over the period of the warranty
The Tesla model S first went on sale in 2012 and the Nissan Leaf in 2011
There are still plenty of those vehicles around still running on their original batteries and still getting more than 80% of their original range.
Those vehicles still have plenty life left in them,and there is no reason to think they will not outlast ice powered vehicles - in fact there is every reason to think that they will outlast typical ice vehicles - if only because an ev is mechanically far less complex than an ice vehicle with far fewer parts to fail or need costly replacement
The average lifespan of an ice powered vehicle in the UK is 14 years, so those Teslas and Leafs will soon be better than average
Cheers
Bruce
Even top gear with the new politically correct team did an episode with an old Nissan leaf that had next to no range.
I have friends with an old leaf, they hate it, dare not go anywhere in it!
And you have not answered the disposal issue!
Ice vehicles have a safe recycling industry. I know of no such industry for the safe disassembly of ev vehicles.
It's the same old same old, control via an element of fear, just like the lead thing. A subtle means of aconfidence trick to achieve compliance from the masses.
Clutching at straws.
The truth however will out and I guess we will all have to learn the hard way.
Remember when they said we will have cheap electricity when they got the first nuke plant running? We didn't but gave thousands cancers.
Remember when hey said we will have cheap gasfor years and years with North sea gas? We didn't. It's sold elsewhere and we buy it from Russia, pathetic.
Remember when they found oil in the North sea? How come we pay the most for fuel around the world?
It's all smoke and mirrors with them in power. Always has been and always will be. So, when it comes to the push for ev, I DONT BELIEVE IT!
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