Stalker62
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Fat-shaming.
I would explain more but it's 05.37 hours here in the UK and that means it is time for cake...
Even if I had the money I wouldn't hunt like this in the US
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Fat-shaming.
I would explain more but it's 05.37 hours here in the UK and that means it is time for cake...
devon deer stalker
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Cranhill
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With 18 buddies?So, a 'real' hunting experience then....
Heym SR20
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just watched it again and his shot seems a little low considering hes shooting downhill. I always aim a bit higher when shooting downhill as the exit hole is going to be lower than you think. This shot was a hell of a range I get that so cant be perfect. Yeah I get you that bigger stuff usually takes a bit more taking down but a good engine room shot shouldnt take 1.25 mins to take a beast down. Where I come from a deer can run a long way in that time
I quote the Deer Practice Guide: -
'Time to death' following shooting
Rapid death is caused by the combination of the temporary and permanent track wounds* of the bullet causing rapid loss of circulation leading to rapid loss of consciousness and death. A well-placed shot, with an appropriate bullet in the recommended target areas, will result in death in less than five minutes in most cases.
‘Slow’ death can result from badly placed shots, (e.g. those rupturing the stomach or intestines), leading to only a gradual loss of circulation.
‘Consequential’ death may follow after a non-fatal wound, such as a jaw injury, which leads to starvation or secondary infection.
Home | Wild Deer Best Practice Guidance
www.bestpracticeguides.org.uk
My view - is until the deer is down it is worth putting another bullet into the engine room. Saying that I have had a Red Stag stand there with 3 rounds going the heart and lungs before it fell over. All were killing shots causing massive blood loss. An Elk is just a very big Red Stag. The CNS is quite a way from the centre of engine room so unlikely that the shock wave will hit the underside of the spine and cause the normal knock out blow you see on smaller animals. If animals are aware of you and run they probably expire much quickly as a lot of blood is pumping, and if they have holes through the heart and lungs blood pours out that much more quickly.
Have n't seen the original video so not sure what calibre he is using, but way down range impact energy and velocity will be way down. It will be like shooting it close range with a handgun or arrow - you are relying on holes and blood leaking out, rather than hydrostatic shock.
960 yards? The shot skill may be there but judgment? Never have I seen a situation hunting elk that require such long shots. A poor hit will very probably result in a lost animal in the terrain I have hunted elk in. All i can say is "some peoples kids" and no that is not a compliment.
palmer_mike
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What’s that mean?
I googled it but the explanation didn’t really clear it up for me
A saying that is used to imply contempt for the person or persons involved . Poorly raised as the urban dictionary says. Hope this helps, best wishes for good shooting
The anti-long range argument doesn’t stack up, never does, never will. A well practiced shooter with the right tool can shoot 1,000yds with little difficulty. All the usual caveats apply, training, gear, practice etc.
The alpine shooting community here eat the anti-long rangers for breakfast. It’s actually quite insulting to them, the insinuation that they are “unethical” or whatever. Very few of the mudslingers have the faintest idea of what’s involved, and how all encompassing the discipline is. If you turned up here and got on an alpine guy’s case with the “other peoples’ children” type comments, you’d be on a one-way ticket home pretty quickly, visa cancelled.
Seriously, the degree of investment, prep, study, practice that goes into it, not to mention the gunsmithing, load development, the reloading itself, meteorology, technology, it’s a skill set and discipline that should be respected in no different a way to the very best of the close in deer stalkers. Here we have hunting TV programs that celebrate the achievement of the long range hunter, the extraordinary lengths they go to to get the chance at the shot!
The long range guys are the most schooled shooters I know, educated in what they do, heavily invested in their discipline. Many of these guys shoot competitions, pretty much all of them, in fact I would wager that the typical long range shooter makes one shot at an animal for every 99 he makes at a 1,000yd target.
You can pick holes in any of the hunting disciplines if you like. Bow hunting, black powder muzzleloaders, low powered straight walled cartridges, long range, shotguns, trapping, hunting with dogs, helicopter hog shooting, take your pick. But within each and every discipline there are lots of expert guys who are proud of their capabilities, and rightly so. They don’t deserve to be classed as “other peoples’ children” by the unskilled and unpracticed.
He paid his money.
He shot the elk.
It was legal.
It is dead.
He is happy.
Others are not. Worried about someone else’s privacy? If it hadnt been recorded and put on the internet, few would have known. Doubt it was done without his knowledge/permission. Perhaps its jealousy? Both money and opportunity.
The UK does things differently to Norway, Sweden, Germany, Hungary, etc. N American hunting is different again.
Theres more than one way to skin a cat and some are better than ours, some not so good. It is accepted practice locally, and legal. What is the real problem here ?
He shot the elk.
It was legal.
It is dead.
He is happy.
Others are not. Worried about someone else’s privacy? If it hadnt been recorded and put on the internet, few would have known. Doubt it was done without his knowledge/permission. Perhaps its jealousy? Both money and opportunity.
The UK does things differently to Norway, Sweden, Germany, Hungary, etc. N American hunting is different again.
Theres more than one way to skin a cat and some are better than ours, some not so good. It is accepted practice locally, and legal. What is the real problem here ?
I imagine it and hope the UK never adopts such a system which exists as a fantasy in the minds of a couple of people with little concept of the other factors required in managing deer on FC leases.
The reason FC Rangers exist is because the job is so huge that it would be very difficult to find enough DSC2 qualified stalkers to reliably give up enough of their time in the periods when the general public arent around in mass numbers ie Mon-Thurs 0500-0800. Even for free. There are FC blocks entirely unmanaged as the FC wants too much money from recreational stalkers and too high a deer cull for ground which has too many people and where static high seats would get torn down and destroyed.
As for moderators not allowed, yes lets go back to the 1950s- more hearing damage and only one chance of a shot. Do you think a Ranger wont be able to hear a moderated shot on a block? You even mention US hunters having to show carcass/meat to a Ranger which would negate any more shot than a tag allowed. Meat for self use only-no selling venison - just as we reach the biggest glut of supply and lack of demand ever.
The comments displayed makes me wonder how some are allowed out without a nurse, never mind firearms.
Heym SR20
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And herein lies the diametrically and entrenched views of all the different sides to Deer Management.
devon deer stalker
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Listen to it again Mike he WAS asking for more ammo.
I appreciate long range shooting has it's fans (shooting not hunting in my book) and the skills associated with it, but in his position most of us on this forum could have hit that Bull with the advice and rifle setup just handed over to us.
But it's from time of shot to time of death that was almost 3 minutes, plenty of time to bang in some more bullets, especially as it was broadside, in fact I believe the shooter would have done so given the chance.
If people on here want to see ethical hunting check out Randy Newberg, Hunter and maybe join his forum Hunt Talk
Cheers
Richard
I had to watch the video and yes he made a damm fine first shot, however not having a magazine loaded is **** poor judgment. If the rifle in question was a single shot why didn't the hunter and not the guide have additional ammo to reload and finish that elk? As to the "unskilled and unpracticed" I have said I don't shoot unwounded game over 350 yds this does not mean I can't. The terrain shown was rather like my home ground and had things gone worse would that elk been found before a prolonged suffering period?
All hunting methods have a downfall indeed you are correct. I know several very fine shots who shoot at 1000 yds and even they prefer to close the distance on game. I understand the dedication of time education, tech ect and do respect that. So in closing my contempt for this hunter is well founded in my mind. Hunt your way sir and enjoy.
Id pay a load money for a game tag in the name of ‘conservation’ then I’d pay a load of Americans to set up cameras 365 days a year and then get them to camp out for weeks on end on my behalf until they had located an absolutely beautiful creature that has nothing whatsoever wrong with it.
I’d then go to a gunmaker and get them to build a custom rifle for me- most likely in 6.5 creedmore - obviously I’d also pay them to develop the load for it , and then make some ballistic turrets for the scope ; so I wouldn’t have to do anything other than dial a shot in.
once the animal had been located I’d get my ‘outfitters’ to lift me onto one of their horses ( because I’m too fat to walk and also too fat to get on or off the horse on my own) All things being in place, I would then take said rifle and use my lardy finger to squeeze off a shot at an extremely long distance and then celebrate Like an American football fan about having killed A beautiful bull elk quite slowly. That’s what I’d do.
kindest regards, Olaf
The only part you got wrong @Olaf was the cartridge.
JJ Liautaud uses a Gunwerks 7mm LRM.
It is interesting to note how much heat this guy got over his African big game hunting. There was an orchestrated campaign against him and his franchise chain about five years ago. He’s sold out of the business now. Worth a comfy couple of billion USD.
Despite the manner in which this video was presented, and our supposed outrage about a lazy fat guy and army of arse lickers, it is well worth pointing out the history of this guy’s philanthropy. I can’t be bothered to simply replicate what you can find yourself on Google, but I can guarantee you there’s more than just a few million dollars of this guy’s cash gone into conservation and game management in various different forms.
Like I said in my earlier post I don’t really care either way. The video as it is presented is not a pleasant watch and of course it is not the kind of hunting that we mere mortals aspire to. But life is never as simple as that. Unfortunately for the hirsute Trent, the super-rich fat man is always likely to win in the end. That’s been the way it goes since before the pharaohs. Whilst the common man will almost always support Trent and wish he had got his bull, in one way or the other Trent will benefit from the dollars that the fat man donates. It’s a strange world we live in, and it pays not to be too emotional when assessing what’s fair, what’s not, and why things are the way they are.
I don’t see much difference between this kind of thing and the well-heeled aristocracy arriving by helicopter to shoot the finest Scottish trophy stags on the poshest of historic estates.
JJ Liautaud uses a Gunwerks 7mm LRM.
It is interesting to note how much heat this guy got over his African big game hunting. There was an orchestrated campaign against him and his franchise chain about five years ago. He’s sold out of the business now. Worth a comfy couple of billion USD.
Despite the manner in which this video was presented, and our supposed outrage about a lazy fat guy and army of arse lickers, it is well worth pointing out the history of this guy’s philanthropy. I can’t be bothered to simply replicate what you can find yourself on Google, but I can guarantee you there’s more than just a few million dollars of this guy’s cash gone into conservation and game management in various different forms.
Like I said in my earlier post I don’t really care either way. The video as it is presented is not a pleasant watch and of course it is not the kind of hunting that we mere mortals aspire to. But life is never as simple as that. Unfortunately for the hirsute Trent, the super-rich fat man is always likely to win in the end. That’s been the way it goes since before the pharaohs. Whilst the common man will almost always support Trent and wish he had got his bull, in one way or the other Trent will benefit from the dollars that the fat man donates. It’s a strange world we live in, and it pays not to be too emotional when assessing what’s fair, what’s not, and why things are the way they are.
I don’t see much difference between this kind of thing and the well-heeled aristocracy arriving by helicopter to shoot the finest Scottish trophy stags on the poshest of historic estates.
I love how you describe the other people in that unpleasant video as being his “army of arse lickers”
brilliant.Kindest regards, Olaf
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