Vacancy: FE Wildlife Ranger

[long_range_rob]

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I just don’t think I could stand a 35% pay cut with the prospect of zero pay rises for decades. I would love to do the job though.

 

[Sampo]

Salary - £29,832 - £31,077 ​

Flexible working to support a healthy work/life balance.
Employee benefits that include (but are not limited to) the Cycle to Work scheme, free high-street and online discounts (Almost read it as 'free high seat' which would have been a benefit)

If they pushed it upto £50k, it could potentially attract better talent. We all have bills to pay.

 

[VSS]

Salary - £29,832 - £31,077 ​

If they pushed it upto £50k, it could potentially attract better talent. We all have bills to pay.

If they pushed it up to £50k it would attract applications from useless sorts doing it for the money, rather than dedicated individuals who've made a lifestyle choice and are doing it for the love of the job.
By all means push the wages up once someone's in, based on results, but I think using money as an attractant to get someone in in the first place results in the wrong type of applicants for this type of role.

 

[Sampo]

If they pushed it up to £50k it would attract applications from useless sorts doing it for the money, rather than dedicated individuals who've made a lifestyle choice and are doing it for the love of the job.

dedication = being exploited for life, I believe everyone should be paid their worth as times change. At least from my perspective, no point doing what you love if it doesn't help you to make ends meet. Once your health diminishes, its the little extra that keeps you warm and fed. Pensiones these days are becoming more of a joke.

 

[VSS]

dedication = being exploited for life, I believe everyone should be paid their worth as times change. At least from my perspective, no point doing what you love if it doesn't help you to make ends meet. Once your health diminishes, its the little extra that keeps you warm and fed. Pensiones these days are becoming more of a joke.

By all means push the wages up once someone's in, based on results, but I think using money as an attractant to get someone in in the first place results in the wrong type of applicants for this type of role
I remember at one time being involved with a rural charity. It's committee decided at one point that they needed to be paying better wages, whereupon the quality of the applicants for various roles fell dramatically. The dedication was no longer there, it was more about getting a job for the money.

 

[rem284]

Salary - £29,832 - £31,077 ​

Flexible working to support a healthy work/life balance.
Employee benefits that include (but are not limited to) the Cycle to Work scheme, free high-street and online discounts (Almost read it as 'free high seat' which would have been a benefit)

If they pushed it upto £50k, it could potentially attract better talent. We all have bills to pay.

Is that vouchers to go to the food banks. I think there may just be little or no pay rises for a while for pblic sector workers. As soon a there is a financial crisis it's the auto pay freeze. Thanks to the mini budget I think that will be on the cards

 

[308tikka]

Even with immediate pension, taking this job would mean a pay cut. But it might suit somebody with no mortgage or other significant bills. But is that the right candidate?

These jobs need to be 40k+.

 

[VSS]

Even with immediate pension, taking this job would mean a pay cut. But it might suit somebody with no mortgage or other significant bills. But is that the right candidate?

These jobs need to be 40k+.

If you don't want a pay cut, don't apply for the job, unless it really means a lot to you to do it. Simples.
I'm speaking as someone who made a lifestyle choice when I was very young. I've never earned anything like the amount stated in that job advert (I'm 50 now), but I've thoroughly enjoyed every aspect of what I do. Had I made a choice based on income I would probably be in a very different place now, and not half so happy. Every business decision I've ever made has been based on how much enjoyment I'll get out of doing something, not how much money it'll make me.
I'm sure there are plenty of other hard-working folk out there with a similar mindset who'd love that job, regardless of the wage.

 

[Ratel]

All saying needs to be better pay. Don't.lnow many Keepers anywhere near that even allowing eight grand a year for value of tied house.

 

[jimmy milnes]

Having just looked at the job description and seeing that it's in an area of the country that is astronomical for housing costs etc I do think that 30k pa is a touch light.
Now I do agree with VSS that sometimes money isn't the driving force behind going for a job but however utility bills, mortgages, kids needing clothes and stuff along with the type of hrs you'd be out during the summer months especially has the be taken into account.
Jimmy.

 

[308tikka]

If you don't want a pay cut, don't apply for the job, unless it really means a lot to you to do it. Simples.
I'm speaking as someone who made a lifestyle choice when I was very young. I've never earned anything like the amount stated in that job advert (I'm 50 now), but I've thoroughly enjoyed every aspect of what I do. Had I made a choice based on income I would probably be in a very different place now, and not half so happy. Every business decision I've ever made has been based on how much enjoyment I'll get out of doing something, not how much money it'll make me.
I'm sure there are plenty of other hard-working folk out there with a similar mindset who'd love that job, regardless of the wage.

100%, so wouldnt apply. Nobody expects to get rich doing a job like this-but you should expect to be able to live a modest lifestyle without fear of debt and putting food on the table.

Unless someone is already local, with their finances in order, they arent going to be able to afford rent or a mortgage in that area. Even commuting a reasonable distance is likely out of reach.

The difference when you made your decisions to be happy and not chase money, is that house prices in your neck of the woods were probably in the mid tens of thousands. What is the average now ? £260k?

In the area advertised likely upwards of £300k. 10x salary in this climate? A very, very small pool of candidates emerge.....

Its all priorities-control of deer isnt high enough on any government list to enable people to be paid properly to do it. Same with nurses and many other professions. Pay has been driven down for decades by importing cheap labour-now whole industries face collapse because they cannot cope without it, which in turn drags down the public sector salary level. Only a few benefit from the low wage, low skill economy. And it isnt us.

 

[John Doe]

FC must be devestated that they have pitched this too low to attract the Stalking Directory experts. I doubt if they will get any applicants now. I expect they are on a zoom meeting with Rishi and whoever the Chancellor is today right now reworking the Government’s entire wildlife management budgets.

 

[VSS]

The difference when you made your decisions to be happy and not chase money, is that house prices in your neck of the woods were probably in the mid tens of thousands. What is the average now ? £260k?

I made my choice while still at primary school. The intricacies of the property market never entered into it.

 

[rem284]

I applied years ago for a post like this down south. Interview went well. The panel asked where will you stay if we offer you the job. I said, rented accommodation. They said you might find it difficult to get somewhere. So being a contractor at that time I said, caravan, sited on the beat. They said NOoooo!. I got back to the b&b where I had stayed that night, told them and they laughed and said it would take all of your income to get a 1 bed apartment. So that was the end of that dream or nightmare.

 

[bogtrotter]

If you don't want a pay cut, don't apply for the job, unless it really means a lot to you to do it. Simples.
I'm speaking as someone who made a lifestyle choice when I was very young. I've never earned anything like the amount stated in that job advert (I'm 50 now), but I've thoroughly enjoyed every aspect of what I do. Had I made a choice based on income I would probably be in a very different place now, and not half so happy. Every business decision I've ever made has been based on how much enjoyment I'll get out of doing something, not how much money it'll make me.
I'm sure there are plenty of other hard-working folk out there with a similar mindset who'd love that job, regardless of the wage.

Well said! We all have bills to pay but there's much more to life than money.
Never made the the salary offered for this job wouldn't change anything of course I would have liked a bit more but I would suggest that if money is your motive you are the wrong candidate for the position.

 

[User00053]

It should be a calling or way of life, very much depends on who you work for and fate.
Spoke to a ranger who managed deer on a block next to estate I was working on at the time, think he had twenty odd years in at the time. Anyways told him I thought his job was the dogs dangles, his response was he would rather have mine due to the variation it offered

 

[Dan Newcombe]

There’s a balance though, you do need to pay a wage that allows applicants to move to and live in an area - or provide accomodation i suppose, that’s a large reason for estate jobs offering houses.

I’d agree that there is an element that too much money for roles like this attract the wrong people but if you are going to struggle to live on the wage something isn’t right.

 

[Rake Aboot]

A calling and a way of life. Lol
How romantic.

It’s a paying job, a not very well paying job at that.
And the quickest way to fall out of love with your hobby is to do it as a job.

 

[deerstalker.308]

Christ alive. If you don’t like the salary, feel free not to apply. There are plenty of folk already in employment with the commission, funnily enough many of them stay for donkeys years, so clearly money is not everything to everyone. Equally it is for those who are employed by fc and in unions to express their discontent, if indeed they are so, with their salaries. Why folk from the outside looking in care that much I can’t fathom, because they clearly don’t want the job, they seem to just like to moan apparently on others behalves…..
and funnily enough, there never seems to be a short supply of applicants so guess there are plenty for whom money isn’t the main driver.

 

[nun_hunter]

If they pushed it up to £50k it would attract applications from useless sorts doing it for the money, rather than dedicated individuals who've made a lifestyle choice and are doing it for the love of the job.
By all means push the wages up once someone's in, based on results, but I think using money as an attractant to get someone in in the first place results in the wrong type of applicants for this type of role.

You increase the pay to increase the number of applicants then you still have to screen them properly but now you get to screen through more people so can have a better choice of who to employ.

Just because you need £50k to live on doesn't mean you're less dedicated than someone able to survive on £30k. The same person willing to work for £30k will still work for £50k and have the same skills and qualifications but now they could get paid more but you increase your chances of finding the best person if you pay more.

The difference with jobs like this or jobs that attract people no matter the salary such as zoo keepers, rangers even police officers (I mean some do it for free as Specials) is tht there will always be people willing to do it for a pittance so there is no need to pay more which is unfair on those who are good at the roles.