Rake Aboot
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Love a number 3 eh ?
First Hunting with Dogs Conviction
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TringSaint
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If you care to read my posts you will see that I am not tarring all with the same brush and I made that perfectly clear.
I have no issue with travellers per se, so long as they don’t break the law. Break the law and you are scum - end of.
Tbh, I can’t be arsed to debate this with you because you are simply wanting to pick a fight rather than look at the real problem in our society and would rather raise issue with the use of a derogatory, colloquial term (not a discriminatory one) than focus on what they do to our countryside.
Hook'N'Bullet
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I agree, criminals are scum, but you used the term, how do you know they were all travelers? I'm just trying to play devils advocate here and advocate for those not here to defend themselves. As you would be familiar with.
I'll give you one of your hypothetical situations you seem to use frequently:
If you seen a person of colour committing a crime, be it a street fight or shoplifting, you would call them the N word or any other racist term and then try to justify it? How would that make the innocent people of colour around you perceive you?
Number 11 - Link to your Houses of Parliament for reference
https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/43162/html/#:~:text=%5B11%5D%20'Pikey'%20is,turnpike'%20from%20the%20nineteenth%20century.
Finnwolf VL63
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Don't hold your breath.
I agree with a lot of what you say, but as regards giving a "derogatory" name to a group of people is (or was) far worse in Eire when I lived over there. As soon as they appeared in an area the population of that area would all be wanting to get rid of "The Knackers". Most people used that word when talking about the travelling community. I would hazard a guess that more than 50 per cent of travellers over here are of Irish descent, why? Is it because the people of Eire don't want them or is it because it's so much easier to get away with things over here.
As I have said I have a great many friends who are of the old gypsy communities and have a strain of Romany in my not too distant past. However I will use the name Pikey for those travellers that break the law by driving across crops and causing untold damage whilst coursing. Just as I would call a burglar a villain or a paedophile a Kiddy fiddler.
Hook'N'Bullet
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You're right, there are not a lot of people here that like them. Too many stories of farms getting burgled. But I don't think its fair to brand an entire community as criminals based on their socio-economic status or background. As for your point about burglars and pedos. All burglars and all pedos are criminals, call them what you like - but not every "pikey" is. So your point doesn't really work. You're still generalising them all as criminals.
As for TringSaint, he seems to be well educated and able for an argument and usually has an answer for everything. I tend to not engage in many debates on here but this 180 on his views piqued my curiosity. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy seeing his input and we do agree on a lot but what he's said in this thread is a total reversal of all his other posts regarding other minority communities (immigrants/LGBT) so I wanted to see why his views changed all of a sudden.
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Hook'N'Bullet
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I have no idea what that means but would love if you could show me the light
Bo Diddley
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Someone posted a reply which was littered with number 3s for some bizarre reason...
Are there many travellers that make an honest living and pay tax like us "gorgios" (Answers on a postcard) funny how travellers have slang names for everything, but we are not allowed to...
I suppose Tyson Fury springs to mind...
TringSaint
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FWIW I can’t abide law breakers and these ‘people’ are nothing more than parasites living off you and me.
I don’t care that they might or might not live in caravans and travel about, but I do care about the gateways full of crap dumped at night, the illegal dog-running, stealing, violence and destruction of my local environment (we get a lot of dumping here and it’s got much worse over the last decade or so). They (those who break the law) are scum and I have a zero tolerance for them.
That, however, is a far cry from saying that all travellers are the same - they are not, and I have no axe to grind with someone who lives an alternative lifestyle (just as if they were trans) just because it’s not my way of life - they have every right to do as they please so long as it’s legal.
That is where my 180 comes from. Legal = ok. Illegal = not ok!!
Hook'N'Bullet
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Well I mean, you're average Joe Bloggs might not but many self made millionaires and skilled trades men work in the shadows, avoiding tax through off the books, cash in hand nixers. Some under report income, exploiting loop holes, false invoices and pocketing undeclared cash earnings.
To say any of that doesn't happen means you must have your head in the sand
Bo Diddley
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Yes, tax evasion happens in every walk of life, from the poorest to the richest.
I think that folks who generally conform to social rules/laws fear being caught and facing the consequences. I don't get that impression with the travelling community.
Bo Diddley
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We have a very small traveller ghetto down the lane from us, one family, with another rouge living and breaking stolen vehicles on the sub-divide plot... worst thing that has happened to the village was when that plot was sold intentionally to these folks. It gets raided by the police every 6 months or so... not much seems to ever change.
I remember attending legal, organised hare coursing events in Somerset years ago. I've always understood that lurchers were never used for coursing as they were too intelligent. greyhounds would stop when a hare went through a hedge wondering where it went whereas a lurcher would follow it through thick and thin!
As I recall, very few hares were actually killed at these events and some days were abandoned if the fields were too muddy resulting in the hares' feet getting clogged up[. All very ethical compared to what the illegal coursers get up to.
As I recall, very few hares were actually killed at these events and some days were abandoned if the fields were too muddy resulting in the hares' feet getting clogged up[. All very ethical compared to what the illegal coursers get up to.
Bo Diddley
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Did you ever watch the Anglia Cup?
Also, Kimberley coursing club was quite well known. Norfolk has some history with running dogs!
Unfortunately not been to Waterloo cup good few times
Cold inhospitable place in winter
Never really had a good hare dog
Fields up here in the north east not very big
What we did have was muckel big slag heaps grassed over them hares were wily fit & strong
Happy days gone forever
Cold inhospitable place in winter
Never really had a good hare dog
Fields up here in the north east not very big
What we did have was muckel big slag heaps grassed over them hares were wily fit & strong
Happy days gone forever
Finbar have to agree, ran a suluki cross greyhound in the new forest, mates had collie cross, bedlington whippet and another Irish wolf X greyhound, never ran much on hares, but accounted for quite a few other animals.
I remember during a visit from a pack of beagles on fox, a couple of red stags came out, a few lads from Wales, with lurchers held there dogs tight, the parkland was about 40acres the reds stood in the middle, before going into the next cover, the estate owner a great sportsman drove over to us and said, “ I was expecting to see a great course across on therm reds” you could have knocked us over with a feather, we did two hunts a year there for 10 yrs or more, never got a chance like that again.
I remember during a visit from a pack of beagles on fox, a couple of red stags came out, a few lads from Wales, with lurchers held there dogs tight, the parkland was about 40acres the reds stood in the middle, before going into the next cover, the estate owner a great sportsman drove over to us and said, “ I was expecting to see a great course across on therm reds” you could have knocked us over with a feather, we did two hunts a year there for 10 yrs or more, never got a chance like that again.
