FLO/FEO
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Cheers, that's what I thought.
The correct title is Firearms Enquiry Officer. FEO.
An FAC is licensed by the Chief Constable.
Qualifications required stated here: Firearms Enquiry Officer - College of Policing
An FAC is licensed by the Chief Constable.
Qualifications required stated here: Firearms Enquiry Officer - College of Policing
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Thanks, most of my force sign themselves as Firearms Licensing Officer
They're NOT the same. (Although what's in a name).
The FEO is the Firearms Enquiry Officer. He/she is the person who gets your application, makes all the enquiries, does the 'phone calls, visits you, checks your security, puts it all together with your application and submits it with a recommendation to:
The Firearms Licencing Officer. He/she is the person who looks at your application and decides whether to allow it or not and with what conditions.
It's true that the Chief Constable has the responsibility to grant/refuse certificates and in theory at least, the buck stops there. In practice, this is delegated to one of the other chief officers (an assistant chief constable or perhaps deputy chief constable, depending on the force's organisation). Who, in turn will delegate it to the Superintendent/Chief superintendent or sometimes civilian head of department, who in turn delegates it to the Firearms Licencing Officer. The Firearms Licencing Officer, in effect makes all the day-to-day decisions, based on the law, Home Office Guidance and force policy. Those further up the pyramid will usually only be involved in general policy decisions and if the poo hits the fan, not usually in particular cases of whether to grant/renew or not.
This, of course is an indication of why policing costs so much to the poor taxpayer these days. There are, despite successive cuts to police budgets, still people in police headquarters all over the country sitting in offices who do not look out of their window in the morning, because it will leave them nothing to do after lunch. It also beggars belief that so many police areas are so behind on their licencing schedules. But that's another subject for another thread.
For evidence of this, look at your certificate. There are two signatures on it. One should be yours, which you signed when you got it, the other is the authorising Firearms Licencing Officer. Not the Chief Constable and not the Firearms Enquiry Officer.
The FEO is the Firearms Enquiry Officer. He/she is the person who gets your application, makes all the enquiries, does the 'phone calls, visits you, checks your security, puts it all together with your application and submits it with a recommendation to:
The Firearms Licencing Officer. He/she is the person who looks at your application and decides whether to allow it or not and with what conditions.
It's true that the Chief Constable has the responsibility to grant/refuse certificates and in theory at least, the buck stops there. In practice, this is delegated to one of the other chief officers (an assistant chief constable or perhaps deputy chief constable, depending on the force's organisation). Who, in turn will delegate it to the Superintendent/Chief superintendent or sometimes civilian head of department, who in turn delegates it to the Firearms Licencing Officer. The Firearms Licencing Officer, in effect makes all the day-to-day decisions, based on the law, Home Office Guidance and force policy. Those further up the pyramid will usually only be involved in general policy decisions and if the poo hits the fan, not usually in particular cases of whether to grant/renew or not.
This, of course is an indication of why policing costs so much to the poor taxpayer these days. There are, despite successive cuts to police budgets, still people in police headquarters all over the country sitting in offices who do not look out of their window in the morning, because it will leave them nothing to do after lunch. It also beggars belief that so many police areas are so behind on their licencing schedules. But that's another subject for another thread.
For evidence of this, look at your certificate. There are two signatures on it. One should be yours, which you signed when you got it, the other is the authorising Firearms Licencing Officer. Not the Chief Constable and not the Firearms Enquiry Officer.
JL Grendel
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Not the same,
FEO, firearms enquiry officer, will come and do your visit etc
FLO, firearms licensing officer, is usually the admin support in the office.
FLM, firearms licensing manager(if not a serving officer) who make the final sign off on applications.
FEO, firearms enquiry officer, will come and do your visit etc
FLO, firearms licensing officer, is usually the admin support in the office.
FLM, firearms licensing manager(if not a serving officer) who make the final sign off on applications.
Stalker62
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Not entirely sure you have this correct.
The two signatures are those of the "Holder" and that of the "Chief Officer of Police".
The "Holder's" signature is your 'wet ink' signature.
The "Chief Officer of Police" signature is a 'computer generated' signature of the Chief Constable/Commissioner of Police for the area in which you reside.
This^
Firearms Enquiry Officer = the chap who comes out to interview you and inspect your security arrangements.
Firearms Licencing Officer = the chap behind the desk who decides whether or not your certificate will be granted, based on the information supplied to him by you, your doctor, your referees and your FEO.
So no, not the same.
Firearms Licencing Officer = the chap behind the desk who decides whether or not your certificate will be granted, based on the information supplied to him by you, your doctor, your referees and your FEO.
So no, not the same.
It ain't on mine. It's the Licencing Officer. But still a computer generated one. Hey ho, different strokes for different areas.
Perhaps the CC is using a double barrelled title?
skull hooker
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Some others
FLA - Firearms Licensing Administrator - Does the admin in the office
SFEO - Senior Firearms Enquiry Officer - Deals with all the harder stuff the FEOs/FLOs have problems with.
We think that they only deal with firearms, but a more difficult part of the jobs is Explosives, certificating possession and licensing storage, tricky business when it goes wrong
FLA - Firearms Licensing Administrator - Does the admin in the office
SFEO - Senior Firearms Enquiry Officer - Deals with all the harder stuff the FEOs/FLOs have problems with.
We think that they only deal with firearms, but a more difficult part of the jobs is Explosives, certificating possession and licensing storage, tricky business when it goes wrong
Never heard of SFEO. We seem to only have FEO's and FLO's (FLO's seem to be all explosives licencing officers as well )Some others
FLA - Firearms Licensing Administrator - Does the admin in the office
SFEO - Senior Firearms Enquiry Officer - Deals with all the harder stuff the FEOs/FLOs have problems with.
We think that they only deal with firearms, but a more difficult part of the jobs is Explosives, certificating possession and licensing storage, tricky business when it goes wrong
Interesting...I had always understood that the FEO was the officer that came out with the FAC and did the cabinet inspection etc. and the FLO was the Firearms Licensing Office as opposed to officer.
From @Sharpie 's College of policing link...
West Mercia seem to run the two together... from https://www.totaljobs.com/job/enquiry-officer/west-mercia-police-job97680263
From @Sharpie 's College of policing link...
West Mercia seem to run the two together... from https://www.totaljobs.com/job/enquiry-officer/west-mercia-police-job97680263
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Again, back to the fiefdoms, one hymn sheet, 40+ choirs.
The college of policing appears to favour FEO, and the JD above includes 'making recommendation on suitability' so it will be the FLM who makes the decisions unless a huge force where there might be a FLO and deputy to the FLM - I suggest.
What strikes me particularly is that an FEO should (to be appointed) have all the relevant legislative knowledge - most don't, but think they do and thiose who appoint them have little grasp and this is the key component of keeping the Public Peace and treating customers properly and considerately.
It all confirms to me that SOMEONE should take a revocation case or a failure to grant/renew which is obviously a 'wrong' decision or based on incorrect facts, and legally sue the relevant force, citing initially your wish for the case to proceed only if compensation and costs are available as you cannot afford the cost to establish the truth.
The Police would capitulate and hand you a media golden egg.
It is also long past time a questionable decision of the CC on grant/renewal/licensing/refusal/revocation could be referred to an arbitration system which could advise of suitability of any decision - based on HO guidance and at nil cost - the police would have their necessary 'comfort' it would cost nothing based on the QUESTIONABLE initial assessment but would require someone to go to war with the Police. None of this is an alternative to proper training which should be mandatory to prevent the likes of the tragedies we have seen and which are immediately reflected by the occurrence onto the whole of the shooting community.
What strikes me particularly is that an FEO should (to be appointed) have all the relevant legislative knowledge - most don't, but think they do and thiose who appoint them have little grasp and this is the key component of keeping the Public Peace and treating customers properly and considerately.
It all confirms to me that SOMEONE should take a revocation case or a failure to grant/renew which is obviously a 'wrong' decision or based on incorrect facts, and legally sue the relevant force, citing initially your wish for the case to proceed only if compensation and costs are available as you cannot afford the cost to establish the truth.
The Police would capitulate and hand you a media golden egg.
It is also long past time a questionable decision of the CC on grant/renewal/licensing/refusal/revocation could be referred to an arbitration system which could advise of suitability of any decision - based on HO guidance and at nil cost - the police would have their necessary 'comfort' it would cost nothing based on the QUESTIONABLE initial assessment but would require someone to go to war with the Police. None of this is an alternative to proper training which should be mandatory to prevent the likes of the tragedies we have seen and which are immediately reflected by the occurrence onto the whole of the shooting community.
As per my link, the Firearms Enquiry Officer is the one with whom you should have the contact.
Who will report to the Firearms Licensing Manager. (Maybe the FLM ?) Managing the Firearms Licencing Unit. Where, I suppose some who report are Officers in the Firearms Licensing. Unit.
This job: Quite a big role, much beyond what I simplify below. Not too many qualified and with a track record to do it.
Firearms Licensing Manager - College of Policing
Role Purpose
Responsible for making fair and transparent decisions regarding the grant, renewal and variation of shotgun certificates and firearms licences and for the management of the Firearms Licensing Unit.
Key Accountabilities
• Plan and develop the work of the Firearms Licensing Unit to enhance community safety through professional risk management decisions, efficient customer service, and engaging with stakeholders to ensure firearms are used responsibility and within the law.
• Monitor and manage the performance of a Firearms Licensing Unit, devising and implementing effective strategies to identify issues and improve team/individual performance to ensure adherence to professional standards and contribute to the achievement of objectives.
• Evaluate recommendations made by Firearms Enquiry Officers as to the grant, refusal or revocation of shotgun and firearm certificates to ensure well-informed decision making.
• Manage applications that are complex, sensitive, and contentious or require more specialist or technical knowledge in order to protect the public and provide an effective service.
• Make objective, defensible, decisions using the national decision making model in order to protect the public from foreseeable harm.
• Manage intelligence regarding the importation and exportation of weapons and ammunition, working closely with key stakeholders and partner agencies, in order to protect the public.
• Attend court where necessary in connection with appeals or as a witness, and if required provide legal counsel with specialist, technical and legal advice, to assist with the criminal and civil justice processes.
At least that is the way it is supposed to work. I daresay there might be other levels of hierarchy above that.
It seems that other job titles, or combinations, formal or otherwise, are available, ...
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