Fox/pest shooting before updated FAC arrives?

[VSS]

You dont think - but you dont know

Totally different scenarios you highlight above anyway - Client turns up by has the conditions on his cert - the OP does not

The OP is not licenced for that ammo

Nothing causes a problem - until ....it does

It's not really different. Any ammo acquisitions (whether purchased or gifted) should be entered on the recipients FAC.
Plenty aren't though, as I'm sure you're aware.
As for the OP not being "licensed" for that ammo, well as far as I was aware expanding ammo is no longer categorised separately, so provided that the calibre is correct no eyebrows would be raised.

I agree that nothing causes a problem until it does, but I do think some people spend time looking for problems that probably don't exist.

 

[KimE]

So a .375 fmj bullet are not OK for fox only elephant? A .243 bullet who may expand to .375 are great for red deer?

 

[Tim.243]

I would say so - drilling holes in foxes is maybe not the most humane way ?
and without having the ammo on his cert if the worst happened good luck with the police and the insurance company ?

Even expanding rounds don't expand sometimes, had fox/deer with small neat exit holes from both the .243 and .270 as the round went through both soft parts between the ribs.
2 completely different heads one with a polymer tip .243 the .270 a 150 lead tip.
The shot was taken and to quote yourself drilling holes in foxes is maybe not the most humane way
How could that be predicted?

 

[jall55]

It's not really different. Any ammo acquisitions (whether purchased or gifted) should be entered on the recipients FAC.
Plenty aren't though, as I'm sure you're aware.
As for the OP not being "licensed" for that ammo, well as far as I was aware expanding ammo is no longer categorised separately, so provided that the calibre is correct no eyebrows would be raised.

I agree that nothing causes a problem until it does, but I do think some people spend time looking for problems that probably don't exist.

As you well know Tim thats why risk assessments are conducted

Even expanding rounds don't expand sometimes, had fox/deer with small neat exit holes from both the .243 and .270 as the round went through both soft parts between the ribs.
2 completely different heads one with a polymer tip .243 the .270 a 150 lead tip.
The shot was taken and to quote yourself drilling holes in foxes is maybe not the most humane way
How could that be predicted?

It couldn't - but all we do is mitigate the risk and choose the most suitable round

 

[jall55]

So a .375 fmj bullet are not OK for fox only elephant? A .243 bullet who may expand to .375 are great for red deer?

I dont imagine the OP is shooting fox with .375

 

[VSS]

As you well know Tim thats why risk assessments are conducted

Indeed.
You identify a risk, assess it, and then decide whether it's worth taking.
Some are.
Some aren't
Do you think that perhaps we're inclined to be a bit too risk averse these days?

 

[Tim.243]

As you well know Tim thats why risk assessments are conducted

It couldn't - but all we do is mitigate the risk and choose the most suitable round

We I have done both of what you suggested and they both never expanded! No fault of the round just the gap between the ribs.
So where are we know with your humane way?

 

[jall55]

We I have done both of what you suggested and they both never expanded! No fault of the round just the gap between the ribs.
So where are we know with your humane way?

What are you on about ......again

 

[jall55]

Indeed.
You identify a risk, assess it, and then decide whether it's worth taking.
Some are.
Some aren't
Do you think that perhaps we're inclined to be a bit too risk averse these days?

Yes it all very subjective isnt it
What i perceive as acceptable risk may differ from what you do

 

[shakey jake]

As a real question, who has been stopped and their fac checked, then ammo checked?
I havent ive been pulled over because of a series of bulglaris and i wasnt local, ive been pulled over at 4am and asked if i was in the army because i had a gun.
Of course the op is taking a risk having no fac on him but i wouldnt worry too much.
If fmj is so poor at killing how come so many soldiers died in various wars? 30 cal on a human is surely similar to 22 on a fox chest shot it may run but it wont recover

 

[shakey jake]

Also the sooner the police are punished for an awful service we pay for the better.
If they try to punish an fac holder for not waiting till they pull their finger out

 

[pg339]

Lesson 1. Don't ask a simple question on here and expect a simple answer.

 

[Mr B]

Also the sooner the police are punished for an awful service we pay for the better.
If they try to punish an fac holder for not waiting till they pull their finger out

But equally when they suggest that they need to increase fees to provide an improved service everyone is up in arms. Damned if they do, damned when they don’t!

As for the OPs original question, do you have your FAC in hand, is it signed, and are you conducting your shooting activities 100% in line with the conditions written on the license you have in hand, ready to present to an officer?

If the answer is no, what you’re doing is illegal.

If I was being pragmatic however, I’d absolutely crack on.

In the words of Marvin Gaye, “Let your conscience be your guide”!

Good luck!

 

[shakey jake]

But equally when they suggest that they need to increase fees to provide an improved service everyone is up in arms. Damned if they do, damned when they don’t!

As for the OPs original question, do you have your FAC in hand, is it signed, and are you conducting your shooting activities 100% in line with the conditions written on the license you have in hand, ready to present to an officer?

If the answer is no, what you’re doing is illegal.

If I was being pragmatic however, I’d absolutely crack on.

In the words of Marvin Gaye, “Let your conscience be your guide”!

Good luck!

Im not up in arms about an increase but months from the visit to printing a ticket?
Also if the reason its not written on the ticket is it takes too long to ok the back room?
No one would accept this service else where, if change of car insurance took 6 months from paying would we all not drive?
The police are a joke and should be laughed at till they sort it out

 

[Mr B]

Im not up in arms about an increase but months from the visit to printing a ticket?
Also if the reason its not written on the ticket is it takes too long to ok the back room?
No one would accept this service else where, if change of car insurance took 6 months from paying would we all not drive?
The police are a joke and should be laughed at till they sort it out

I agree that the service isn’t fit for purpose, but people need to accept an increase in cost. It also need an overhaul and some joined up thinking as to how licensing should work for the whole of the UK. Niche issues like modular rifles is just one example.

I transferred from Scotland to Wales and in process Scotland forgot about two worn out shotguns I’d surrendered to them! Accused me of losing them until I showed copies of their own paperwork!

 

[f17ant]

You should be fine but a sentence my FAO told me during my home visit that stuck with me.. “I’m your point of contact now, if you have any questions big or small ask me, don’t ask other club members as another force might have a different view”

 

[Kane01]

What rounds would you use ? Target ones ?

For fox Ill be using expanding hollow points (Hornady XTP) in .38 special as its been conditioned for pest/fox, I would be bring a .223 as well, but thats on the varied licence.

 

[Kane01]

Just for reference I still have my original cert, as I was told to keep it until receiving the new one.
AFAIK you can buy expanding, soft point etc ammo on a target FAC as I have done multiple times in the past, I believe that rule got thrown out almost a decade ago now.
I would contact my FEO, but I am already unanswered on when my FAC should arrive, and based on messaging twice in a row in the past and causing confusion I dont want to add more fuel to the fire at this point.

 

[VSS]

For fox Ill be using expanding hollow points (Hornady XTP) in .38 special as its been conditioned for pest/fox, I would be bring a .223 as well, but thats on the varied licence.

So you already have a suitable firearm, conditioned for fox, and appropriate ammunition for it?
Then there is definitely no issue.
Just crack on with that firearm.
You don't have to have your paper FAC in your hand in order to use your firearms.
I can't think of a single person who would stop shooting while their FAC was away being varied.

 

[Cyres]

Well if its a .223 then 69 TMK which is a target bullet acts like a v max on fur or feather.
Going ahead without the amended ticket would be unwise.
D