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Foxhounds uninvited appearance
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StephenToast
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But do you need to ? Are these walked up or driven ? Are they wild or reared ? Think like a anti.
Most hunts are there worst enemy , but would I ban it no, hunted all over England and Wales on foot and horse back, so probably biased.
As to getting my words mixed up, I was talking as a anti would think, they don,t care if you can justify it or not.
The trouble with threads like this is they divide field sports, who generally are there worst enemies.
As to being a old chap ! Mind your tongue nipper.
baguio
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Sorry, not end off at all. I've shot on Open Spaniel and retriever trials where the dogs have gone 'deaf' and gone and done their own thing. They're dogs, not robots! If your dogs do exactly what you want 100% of the time then I suggest that you pass on your secret because it will make you a millionaire!
Antis don't help either by also blowing a horn to try to 'steal' the hounds from the huntsmen. I'm not a hunter and never have been. I do however know dogs a little bit and I'm also a realist!
There are some say that having hounds through woods AT THIS TIME IN THE SEASON that hold pheasant is, somehow or actually, a benefit in that the pheasant will actually now flush better when the wood is driven for shooting. I don't know. But some hold to that theory.
What is however true is that also at this time in the season natural food is often scarce to find and pheasants needing to eat WILL come back to where the food you have put down is to be found. So as others say I am sure these birds will be back by end of the same day.
What is however true is that also at this time in the season natural food is often scarce to find and pheasants needing to eat WILL come back to where the food you have put down is to be found. So as others say I am sure these birds will be back by end of the same day.
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After a discussion and certain agreements undoubtedly. Unless it was one particular pack.
Bo Diddley
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Lot's of us involved in the country pursuits feel just the same as your good self. But when hunting finally falls, and the anti-hunting/shooting mob may turn their attentions to large commercial shoots, what will be the next target they set their sights on? United we stand, divided we fall, it's simple warfare tactics!
I train sheepdogs, and no of course they don't always do exactly what I want them to. But they most certainly don't cross the boundary and start rounding up other people's sheep! Any sheepdog that did that wouldn't last very long.
And I most certainly wouldn't be letting a dog loose anywhere other than in the confines of my own training fields until I was 100% confident I could recall that animal under any circumstances. Same should apply to hounds and gundogs.
Seems to me that the average pikey lamping deer is a better dog handler than any master of foxhounds I've ever had dealings with. (And equally legitimate in many cases, it would appear!).
countrryboy
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I'd echo this i used to shoot a lot with a gun pack and it would often be invited to shoots at end of summer aug/sept time and hunt the main woods out.
And it really is surprising to see how few birds are flushed/moved when the hounds come throu and u know there is a decent number of birds in there.
It could well make a difference the number of hounds, this gun pack only generally ran 3-5 couple at a time and they were steady to birds/stock/deer and didn't even give them a second look, possibly with a larger pack and if lss steady it could be more of an issue.
I once had a lost hound from the mounted pack come down the feed ride just after i had whistled the birds in, was a slight panick from the birds but after i got the hound in the back of landy and went up the feed ride the birds were feeding just as normal ( again early season)
Also these shoots weren't massive in numbers, and early on before season started so birds less jumpy/wise, but they still came up throu the season too and hunted on sundays and shoots generally welcomed them as they done a good job.
I know at this time of year birds are getting scarce anyway and quite wild and jumpy so it will be hard to tell exactly wot damage has been done, but i doubt it will be as bad as u fear and definately far less than u driving the birds out the wood and then chasing them about where they land as u pick up.
But the hunt should still not have been anywhere near he land either, i know it won't be easy to keep a pack of hounds inline thou.
With the english hunting law being the way its been for so long now, will most hounds not now be only used to hunting the scent lines rather than live foxes or even when trained on fake scent will they always draw on a live fox scent?
I've only really been invloved with hunts/hounds in scotland where still normal/legal to hunt the fox as long as its shot, works quite well as a tool with dealing with difficult foxes/places
SorryTim but I've seen two first-class and mature sheep dogs from two different farms get together at night ,( You wouldn't believe their ingenuity in getting out) and kill sheep on other farms. As regards Pikeys and their dogs, an awful lot are left running about. Perhaps MFH's of Welsh packs are not user friendly but the ones I have met on the high ground up there have always been sound. You are unfortunately not very happy regarding hunting or commercial shooting and criticize both regularly, have a little tolerance man, after all your daughter is working for "If it's brown it's down, day or night" some of us do not like that attitude to deer.
baguio
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Sorry Tim but both of the dogs that went deaf were open dogs. The spaniel was being run by a guy who has judged the Championship. They had each won a novice trial and were good dogs. I don't believe that you have never had a dog stick it's fingers up to you at any time I'm afraid.
You're probably aware that us guys down here have a good relationship with the local Master of the fox hounds who is a very good man who not only lets us stalk his land but does more for underprivileged children than any of us could ever hope to do. They're not all the same I can assure you!
andrew_shooter53
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Put in a hefty bill for lost birds, that will do the trick, We as shooters must also think without the Hunts around the country, and there are many, who will the antis target next ??? Worth a thought maybe
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The issues with the hunt was kennel staff coming out ahead of a meet and cutting holes in hedgerows with silky saws. Where they didn't have formal permission to hunt they couldn't erect a hunt jump to cross awkward hedges so they would creep out and cut a hole. Sometimes they'd stuff the cut brush back into the hole to be easily removed again on the day, hoping no one would notice. But they hadn't reckoned on a vermin shooter out on foot with night vision....
Once they cut a hole right next to a spot where I would regularly sit to snipe rabbits with my .222 I spotted it immediately.
baguio
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Lost wild birds?
andrew_shooter53
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Lost managed birds, they were bought or bred on the EstateLost wild birds?
Speaking for myself, I wouldn't want to see it banned, I would want to see more ownership on the actions they take (as we have had problems with ruined cover crop etc before)
However for me personally I couldn't justify it (this us different to foxing for pest control purposes)
However for me personally I couldn't justify it (this us different to foxing for pest control purposes)
countrryboy
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But once out of the release pen ( which is even then a grey area if they are owned/livestock) they are classed as 'wild' so belong to who evers land they are on, even if shot from ur land and land dead across the boundry they then belong to ur nieghbour.
Just as he is entitled to stand on his ground and shoot any birds driven from ur woods if they fly over his ground.
