French disaster

[rick6point5]

Quote..However many of 'them' you think are sharpening their knives, content yourself in the knowledge that the governments and media in the West have been recruiting a much larger, frightened, paranoid and insular army for the last 50 years - us!

Indeed they have and as it seems with great success, they have also been doing the same abroad for as long, the shame of it is some of those are turning on their masters.

 

[Freeforester]

"Oh, wad some Pow'r, the giftie gie us, tae see oorsel's as ithers see us..." (Himsel')

I micht be wrang, but I wyte, they're like tae respond at the G20 meetin' in Turkey, so nae need for wirsel's tae faa oot amon's, surely? Save the Nats, aa' Richt minded folk can see the need to sort the thing oot noo, but that'll tak' time; cool heids, lads, or repent at leisure...

 

[Tulloch]

This gets worse,,,,

Do you not realise that some of the comments on here would be and are in many forms considered as extremist views, One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter,

Take your theories and look closer to home , the IRA and REAL IRA did not represent the majority of Catholics, The UDA and the UVF did not represent protestantism, Boko Haram , Hisbalah , ETA and the various other organisations that claim they represent some other religion or or other Do not represent their faith. They all represent an Agenda.

The problem with terrorism is that there is no country of origin just a group of origin, there is no leader to blame just a group of fundamentalist ideas. We just had a war in Afghanistan against the very people we trained during the eighties to fight against the Russians.

Terrorism of any kind in my mind is despicable and I am the first to say close the borders and scrutinise more.

 

[kes]

It seems less than I would wish to say but my thoughts and sympathies are with the friends and loved ones of those who were murdered. It must not be allowed to happen again. The big question is how we do that - I'm afraid I would contemplate any reasonable solution, as I feel would most.

 

[howa243]

This was after Charlie Hebdo.

The security service reinforcements are a recognition that France's intelligence-gathering - normally held up as a paragon in Europe - has fallen behind the times. New officers are needed but also new equipment, and new methods.Manuel Valls said nearly 3,000 individuals needed to be monitored today. Nearly half of these are people who have been or are planning to go to Syria and Iraq to join Islamic State. The others are from older radicalised networks. One lesson of the Kouachi-Coulibaly attacks is that these older networks cannot be neglected.
Intelligence experts in France say it takes 20 officers on the ground to provide round-the-clock monitoring of a suspect. Obviously this is impossible for 3,000 individuals.

So is monitoring these folks an option?

 

[pheasant sniper 1]

This gets worse,,,,

Do you not realise that some of the comments on here would be and are in many forms considered as extremist views, One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter,

Take your theories and look closer to home , the IRA and REAL IRA did not represent the majority of Catholics, The UDA and the UVF did not represent protestantism, Boko Haram , Hisbalah , ETA and the various other organisations that claim they represent some other religion or or other Do not represent their faith. They all represent an Agenda.

The problem with terrorism is that there is no country of origin just a group of origin, there is no leader to blame just a group of fundamentalist ideas. We just had a war in Afghanistan against the very people we trained during the eighties to fight against the Russians.

Terrorism of any kind in my mind is despicable and I am the first to say close the borders and scrutinise more.

Speaking out against muslim extremism and terorists should not be seen as extremist..
It seems "cool" or the thing to do by some people speaking up for anything just for the sake of going against the grain..
I have no personal problem with non extremist muslims
I do have a problem with the strong links extremists have shown to have with British mosques and believe they should be monitored along with what the imams are preaching.
If any mosque is found to be preaching hate it should be shut down immediately.
We are standing by while people are radicalised in our own country they are not all flying in from overseas.
Its disgusting the extremists parade within our own communities and display banners wishing the very people that welcomed them dead..

As many links to hateful doctrines from the quran can be found as the peace loving ones so each can choose what propoganda supports their argument.

Im not sure theres anybody out there thats not been trained or given arms by us or the yanks at one time or another

 

[Tulloch]

it is time for some drastic measures I am afraid ,

My hearts go to those affected by this but we are all affected by this I am afraid to say,...

 

[Scots_stalker]

Tbh what can be done ? A soldier on every street corner ? It's beyond my comprehension

 

[howa243]

Momentum

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/11/15/300000-britons-demand-close-uk-borders-now

 

[bewsher500]

No just the most gullible http://muslimfact.com/bm/terror-in-...ts-lying-to-deceive-unbelievers-and-bri.shtml And believes that most of them are nice people but are quite proud when little Abdul becomes a martyr

with concrete facts like that you should apply to be the next foreign minister!
jesus! What next? History lessons from Wikipedia?

French citizens? Really? No, as I said, they may be legally in France, but mentally, if they were French citizens, they would not be killing French women and children in the name of a the Islamic State In Syria, would they

Sure they would!
Just like your charleston church shooter, an American, shot other Americans, in the name of a confederation that doesn't exist!

just like every nut job from David Koresh to lee Harvey Oswald....acting in the belief that killing will make their cause valid
just like the fundamentalists killing their own people in Syria , Iraq..etc
they don't give a **** where they or you are from.


Northern Ireland is full of Protestants and Catholics that believe one thing or another about British occupation and the opposite religion.

i lived with 4 catholic Northern Irish guys for a year
the vitriolic bile they would spout about protestants was embarrassing
even more so when you asked them when they last set foot in a church!!
They knew nothing about their own reilgion let alone why they hated the other

You have to teach hate and fear.
brainwashing at its finest

now you could argue that getting a 25 year old French kid to kill himself and takes the lives of others in the name of Allah requires some brainwashing.....


so does does convincing a population that anyone Muslim must be bad, that anyone Catholic must be bad, that anyone black must be bad.....
get the picture yet?
dont be the next brainwashed person to perpetuate the hatred

Think i am angry?
i am.
angry at this persistence that we must assume that all Muslims are bad because there are a minority of people who are fundamentalist out of a much much larger population

Know any Syrians? Any Iraqis?
any Muslims for that matter?
know any that are happy with the results of any attacks carried out in the name of their prophet?

i will not endure bigotry especially on such an ill informed basis

 

[howa243]

Bigotry

NOUN

• intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself:
  
  
  As I don't agree with the views of those who perpetrated the Paris attack, I guess I need to hold my hand up to this one.

 

[kes]

The fact remains that it is the interpretation of Islam which is at fault. It is however there to be interpreted in this way. Have we seen condemnation from muslims - for me not enough and not loud enough. Maybe they fear those within their communities who hide the depth of their hatred of the west, maybe they fear what may be in store for them in a religeous context. Maybe they are disorganised or maybe they are proud.
We do need to stand together to solve this problem but how do you know who stands with you with a religeon which preaches intolerance and bigotry, as does Christianity. It is not wrong or bigoted to ask these questions, especially now, even though we dont have as much right as those who lost loved ones.
No tolerance is too much tolerance just now.

 

[tom308w]

Under-resourcement of public services is our own home grown problem, it's been building up for decades. Hardly the immigrants fault. As for your second statement, it's already happened at the hands of various causes over the years, and horrible as it is, we can take it. We don't need to throw away what we're supposed to stand for in the first place as a result. And if we do, well that rather undermines our whole claim to somehow hold the moral high ground.

Pm not on about the past on about the last couple of years your pretty quick to mention the past but today and the last couple of years the Muslims are the ones bombing this country and the rest of Europe and again toooo many people in this very small island are you missing something murders from Islam and there mosques walking in this country ready to blow people up

 

[User00047]

Know any Syrians? Any Iraqis?
any Muslims for that matter?
know any that are happy with the results of any attacks carried out in the name of their prophet?

i will not endure bigotry especially on such an ill informed basis

I know a Muslim. A real nice chap, works at the local Indian takeaway, does a smashing Lamb Tikka Balti. I'll ask him what he thinks of the attacks next time I'm in there for a curry.
I would call in at the local mosque in person and ask them what they think of all this extremism/terrorism lark, but we don't have any mosques in Cornwall.

 

[pheasant sniper 1]

I know a Muslim. A real nice chap, works at the local Indian takeaway, does a smashing Lamb Tikka Balti. I'll ask him what he thinks of the attacks next time I'm in there for a curry.
I would call in at the local mosque in person and ask them what they think of all this extremism/terrorism lark, but we don't have any mosques in Cornwall.

Yet

 

[User00047]

Yet

True! I cannot predict the future
we don't exactly appear to attract "minorities" down here................many local people are intolerant of any other religions.
A small group of Muslims did try and open an "Islamic centre" not far from here, in a disused Christian chapel, ironically.
It didn't go down very well with the locals and there was a bit of a spate of attacks and some vandalism, a pigs head nailed to the door, graffiti, slashed tyres, tins of paint on cars etc.. etc......and these were just your average muslims, not the crazy, radical hate preaching type.
I can imagine that if the hook handed, blind in the eye mentalist variety showed up down here they would "disappear" pretty rapido!

 

[xavierdoc]

Graphic video is doing the rounds- shows a shot-up car with the escaped, alleged terrorists (2 dead, one alive).

I won't link as it's rubbernecking gore and it's not confirmed as being genuine (in relation to Paris attack, that is.) EDIT: it appears to be unrelated to the Paris attack; pre-dates it.

I also heard the French have begun bombing Raqqa in Syria.

 

[pheasant sniper 1]

Another twist to add to the debate

 

[thorneyglatt]

.......We do need to stand together to solve this problem but how do you know who stands with you with a religeon which preaches intolerance and bigotry, as does Christianity.

I think you're confusing 'preaching' and 'practice' . The founder of Christianity, Jesus Christ, gave his followers two Commandments: to love God with all our being, and to love our neighbour as we love ourselves. In his teaching he explained that our neighbour is every human being, and even went so far as to extend that by telling us to love our enemies. Sadly, Christians don't always manage to practise what Jesus preached, but love for all is what they aspire to - not intolerance and bigotry !

 

[simonl]

I never realised that a Jewish banking family control all the arab countries. Now enlightened. Their next move must be to move in on IS, who have recently announced their currency plans.

Could we get them to send David Icke as their envoy?