paul walker
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Yes we did meet at Jelen.
giving up
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may i just say, tony is one of the most geniune gentleman i have met he would do anything for anyone, but he has not got a lucky bone in him and has no joy with stalking so i can understand your post mate
but as i said before tone i will do everything and anything i can to help you along with your stalking, and by the looks of it youve had some very kind offers off other site members aswell (well done sd)
chin up mate i will be in touch soon
but as i said before tone i will do everything and anything i can to help you along with your stalking, and by the looks of it youve had some very kind offers off other site members aswell (well done sd)
chin up mate i will be in touch soon
diverdave
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It took me a while to get good deer stalking permission, i had some ground where deer were possible day one, but in reality we have never actually shot a deer there, only rabbits. But having this lead to more and better ground.
However my friends and i are changing the way we look upon ground. We will always have our 3-4 bits of ground where we can stalk anytime. The way we manage this is a mini syndicate, limited to 3-4, and all must take a bit of ground to join us. We can all stalk any of the grounds any time, as we all have equal permission.
I recognise this will not work for everyone, you need to trust the others and set ground rules, but it works well for us. It works where one persons work will not allow them to stalk as often as they want to maintain the cull numbers required, but where they can have the time on occasions and get out when they want to. It also means that smaller bits of ground are more worthwhile, as a small piece only producing a few deer a year can be stalked and harvested then rested, or you can move between a few sites during the day.
In the past we all were members of paid syndicates as well, but in the last couple of years we have dropped out of a number of them, spending the money on really good paid for days stalking, instead of paying for ground every day but only stalking it when work allows. I kind of work with two estates, booking days when i want, for species i dont have but also booking regularly enough that they call me when the sport looks to be good for a while, and when i have a good chance of some action.
This works for us and has done for years. I guess it is just an alternative way of doing things that may work for others in similar situations. One of the team struggled to get ground before he met up with us, but the promise of adding our ground either gave them the confidence to ask, or spurred them on but once they knew how we worked they managed to get their own ground, and now stalk all of ours as well.
A point of note however, we tend to stalk in pairs, just for comradeship and safety (medical) so this may work for us and not others but i guess it is worth considering
However my friends and i are changing the way we look upon ground. We will always have our 3-4 bits of ground where we can stalk anytime. The way we manage this is a mini syndicate, limited to 3-4, and all must take a bit of ground to join us. We can all stalk any of the grounds any time, as we all have equal permission.
I recognise this will not work for everyone, you need to trust the others and set ground rules, but it works well for us. It works where one persons work will not allow them to stalk as often as they want to maintain the cull numbers required, but where they can have the time on occasions and get out when they want to. It also means that smaller bits of ground are more worthwhile, as a small piece only producing a few deer a year can be stalked and harvested then rested, or you can move between a few sites during the day.
In the past we all were members of paid syndicates as well, but in the last couple of years we have dropped out of a number of them, spending the money on really good paid for days stalking, instead of paying for ground every day but only stalking it when work allows. I kind of work with two estates, booking days when i want, for species i dont have but also booking regularly enough that they call me when the sport looks to be good for a while, and when i have a good chance of some action.
This works for us and has done for years. I guess it is just an alternative way of doing things that may work for others in similar situations. One of the team struggled to get ground before he met up with us, but the promise of adding our ground either gave them the confidence to ask, or spurred them on but once they knew how we worked they managed to get their own ground, and now stalk all of ours as well.
A point of note however, we tend to stalk in pairs, just for comradeship and safety (medical) so this may work for us and not others but i guess it is worth considering
Erik Hamburger
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Dear highseat6.5 ,
I think you have the wrong end of the stick as you are jumping to conclusion.
1. A small group of stalkers is trying to set up a DMG after attending a 'Deer Impact' Forum organised by our local AONB (Cotswolds) - so the initiative was from the AONB, not from me 'as a means to an end'. However I did personally disclose to the OANB people I dealt with that my own objective of my involvement (voluntary, free time, unpaid) simply was to get some good (leisuretime) stalking on my doorstep. I see nothing wrong with that , neither do they.
2. It is beyond me why you conclude from my post that deer welfare is not on the agenda of the DMG. We heavily promote 'Best Practise' and are guided in that by the excellent publications from the Deer Initiative. We have also been advised (by the D.I.) that, in the end, if a stalker doesn't fulfull the landowners' objectives he will loose his land. 'Management' is all very nice for the prof. stalker who has a few thousand acres to stalk over, it is quite irrelevent for the amateur stalker who has a patchwork of a few small farms of typically 200-300 Acres each - in those cases you only shoot what the landowner asks you to shoot, nothing more and nothing less.
3. Once again you jump to conclusions about the selling of venison...'if you can't sell it what do you do with it?' Answer: We eat it ourselves and share any surplus with the landowner, neighbours, friends and family! Not an earth-shattering new approach and one taken by quite a large percentage of stalkers on this site, I assume.
My post was simply meant to be helpful to the original poster who had a problem and put it to the Forum, by giving him a few possible options he may want to consider in his search for land. Surely the spirit of an internet forum is to learn, ask and give advise, debate, and occasionally pull someone's leg or be sarcastic to make a point; rather than put up spitefull and misleading inconsiderate drivel as you do.
td
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Davey your all heart have you ever thought of working for the Samaritans. Trevor
TotalNovice
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I have been, and still am, without a great amount of ground.
I've knocked door after door trying to gain some permission but sometimes it seems like I'm flogging a dead horse.
I'll keep at it though!
One thing I can say is that the generosity of some people is fantastic when you just want to get out stalking.
I've a mate local to me who takes me when he can and it is very much appreciated.
Also, when I am heading north to Gods country it is 6pointer who has invited me out, he has gone out of his way to accommodate me, and that too is very much appreciated.
Don't give up fella', keep at it, there's a lot of good folk who will assist you in either gaining permission or offering days stalking I'm sure!
Regards
TotalNovice
I've knocked door after door trying to gain some permission but sometimes it seems like I'm flogging a dead horse.
I'll keep at it though!
One thing I can say is that the generosity of some people is fantastic when you just want to get out stalking.
I've a mate local to me who takes me when he can and it is very much appreciated.
Also, when I am heading north to Gods country it is 6pointer who has invited me out, he has gone out of his way to accommodate me, and that too is very much appreciated.
Don't give up fella', keep at it, there's a lot of good folk who will assist you in either gaining permission or offering days stalking I'm sure!
Regards
TotalNovice
