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Can anybody hazard a guess as to what happened here? I will elaborate once a few brave souls have chanced their reputations... ;)

(Stating the obvious is only for naughty boys.)

Edit - My apologies, badly phrased. That's the Heineken catching up on the 05:00 start. Given the relative sizes of the entry and exit wounds can you offer any suggestions as to what type of bullet was used and the consequent reaction?
 

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As your attached pics are titled 'Entry' and 'Exit' I'll go for the obvious QI answer. :D
 
Hi,

Am i the first to ask, what am i missing here:doh:.
looks like small hole left (entry) large right (exit).

F.:oops:

not mentioning location of shot as i assume there's something less obvious guys .....!!! before i start to get ribbed
 
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Looks to be to far back, SP bullet used??? Not expanded as it hit nothing to start the expansion, or didn't have enough time to expand in soft tissue. I'd say the deer ran but after arching his (assuming it's a Buck) back, ran on a little. Followed up by either dog or second shot to end his life.

TJ
 
standard in and out a little back with a ripped diaphragm and slightly burst rumen probably by a lead free bullet by the uniform neat exit damage. Run of about 15 yards. If not, it's a good story:doh:
 
I think the entry is a bit of a red herring :suss:

The exit is where it's at.... :suss:

Ok, the hole is rather small, and (if I've got the picture the right way up :oops: ) it's a tad on the high side to my eye, but not as far back as the entry, so deer slightly quartering away?... I reckon it probably dropped to the shot, or almost. As to why the hole is so small... hmmm... passed perfectly between ribs on both sides? Decided not to expand? Federal soft point? I feel a bit low saying that as I use .243 Federal and have only had one 'whizzer', but others have had some punch straight through and some do the the crazy inside the carcass!

Alex ( no reputation to lose! :D)
 
shot with a cross bow ? and was found running round with it still in it ? and you pulled it out before taking the photo
andy
 
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Paul gets the big -5 QI points!!!

We'd seen this chap and his two ladies grazing in a three acre field yesterday morning but just couldn't get into a suitable position. Completely snookered, we left them with the whispered promise that we would be back. Returning today we found them much more suitably positioned with the buck being the absolute gentleman by standing a little away from his female companions and presenting us with his full flank. However, despite a leisurely sneak along a thick hawthorn hedge we were nearly stymied by a deer friendly gate, i.e. steel on loose hinges with a chain threaded through its clasp. After much manouvering I managed to build a suitable firing position and tried to calm myself. As I regained control of my breathing up went his head to scent the breeze. This continued for what seemed an age but he obviously decided not to take offence at my BO and resumed his grazing. "Righty- ho, this is it", I decided and squeezed the trigger.

Back went his ears, up went his rear with an almighty kick and off he went in a straight line. "Good shot", said the voice behind the hedge. Then the buck stopped and stared back at his fast disappearing does.

"Good enough?" I asked.

"Yes. He'll be down in just a moment".

Hmmm...

"Really good enough?" I asked.

"Yes. I can see the entry wound. He won't go far with that."

"He still hasn't gone down though, has he." I was starting to worry.

"No need to worry. He'll be down any time now."

The does were a field and more away by now while their escort just stood there, staring.

His posture changed.

"Is he going now?"

"Yes. Give him time."

We gave him more time.

Then, very slowly, he sat down and rolled over, kicked once and lay still.

It had felt like an eternity although it was probably more in the region of thirty seconds or so (certainly longer than I've ever experienced before) and I still had a nagging doubt I had bodged it. This wasn't the result I was hoping for, particularly since I had abandoned my long courtship with 165gn Barnes TSX in .308, having heard how they were prone to pencilling, and splashed out on a stock of Norma Alaska at 180gn in the same calibre. Surely these blunt bricks weren't prone to the same weakness?

As the original pictures indicate, there was every indication to suggest that my fears were to be confirmed. Then came the gralloch...

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That the bullet had passed between two ribs on the way in hadn't helped but I still can't get over how long he took to drop given the severity of injury.
 
Well this is fun! :)

I'm with CSL - going to suggest Mr Roe, high and a bit back, with the Barnes TSX...... in the library!

Or was it Col Mustard?

Beast dropped to shot, lower part of spine trashed. No obvious exit bleeding which you would have expected from a beast that ran any distance.


Rgds

Ian :)
 
Sorry, Ian! Beat you to it there. I like your summation though.

Mr Roe, in the lungs with a lead bullet. Seemples!

...but at the time everything, just everything, said otherwise. I even checked the headstamp to make sure a Barnes hadn't sneaked in unannounced.

tartin - you did get the SP bit correct so only -2 points to you.
 
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What a great thread! :D

Yes, perfect lung shot with a heavy bullet (for roe) that was, in this instance, rather reluctant to expand! :thumb:

Dare I suggest that if you'd taken the same shot with a .243 that lung and everything within a 4" radius would have been shredded? ;)

Joking aside - it just goes to show that every scenario is different and the outcomes are infinite.

Alex
 
Thank you, Alex. I will also dare to suggest that had I stayed with the Barnes Mr Ginger would have been down and out before his does were at the hedge.
 
While bearing in mind that even in my limited experience, any bullet can do anything; might the big old 180gr Alaska be a bit thick-set for much expansion in such a narrow animal as a roebuck? Being designed for good expansion and good penetration in 'medium' game (according to Norma), the penetration might be inclined to win over the expansion under such circumstances.

I used .308 Geco 170gr round-nosed stuff in January. These bullets seem to be known for being perhaps a little less robust that their weight and calibre might suggest, and worked very well for the hinds. My rifle likes them, and a little over £20 a box.
 
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Better than a poke in the eye :smug:
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It was pretty clear I hadn't hit it there TJ...:lol:

Dalua, you make a valid point but I have knocked several muntjac and other roe with the same round in the past without a problem. I believe the majority of experienced stalkers will agree that every once in a while things turn peariform. Thankfully, in this instance, without any adverse consequence (although the buck would probably beg to differ).
 
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shot with a cross bow ? and was found running round with it still in it ? and you pulled it out before taking the photo
andy
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Banged to rights! I crept up behind and took it down with a chloroform wad, opened it up and repaired the lungs, stuck it all back together, gave it an aspirin and sent it on its way. Bill Oddie would be proud of me!
 
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