Great result...

[Rewulf]

Some random rioter tries to take my stick, I say no, and I smack him in the head, killing him

Mr rioter could have chosen not to try and take the stick, and would hence still be alive?
Stupid games win.......

 

[Rasputin]

Not coincidental at all. The surviving criminal was a felon, legally barred from possessing firearms, yet he was there at a violent protest armed with an illegal weapon. He then, by his own words on the stand, aimed said illegal weapon at Kyle, at which time he was shot in the arm.

This pretty much sums up the saying "Play stupid games, win stupid prizes."

As to the Main Stream Media talking point about Kyle crossing the border looking for trouble, that is deliberate misconstruing of the facts. He lived on the border between two states, he crossed that border on a daily basis, because his mother lived on one side, his fathers side of the family lived on the other. Do you routinely talk about the horrible crime of border crossing each time someone East Sussex to West Sussex? That is the reality we are talking about.

Spot on. Bad people doing bad things and get found wanting. So much misinformation in this case it’s untrue the video is damning.

 

[bowji john]

It seems that with this, like so many other topics, differences of opinion are predicated on a left / right political bias that flavours the interpretation of so many of the issues of the day

This left / right positioning is growing further and further apart with little common ground or desire to find it

Even in this country you can see it, however it appears even more extreme in the US

Makes you wonder for how much longer political systems that are based upon ''a commonality of belief and purpose'' amongst it citizenry, will continue to function

This event in the US appears (to me) to have come about because the political establishment preferred to allow rioting to occur as it fitted their political agenda.

The section of society, who are currently not in favour, and apparently not enjoying the support of the political and media establishment, were left to defend their own

Model for the future ??

 

[willie_gunn]

Not so long ago President Joe Biden said:

“A jury who heard the evidence, carried out their civic duty in the midst of an extraordinary moment, under extraordinary pressure.”

The above, of course, was said in response to the conviction of Derek Chauvin but if one believes in the concept of “equality under the law” must equally apply here.

 

[mchughcb]

If I know there is a riot in a nearby city ... I travel there, with a large stick, to defend some arbitrary property and just "patrol the streets".

Some random rioter tries to take my stick, I say no, and I smack him in the head, killing him.

Two or three other people, sees this, tries to stop this unknown lunatic (me) swinging a stick at people.
I smack them in the head as well, killing them...

Then I walk over to the police, who are on the scene, but does nothing.
I tell them I killed three guys who tried to take my stick away.


In my country... I would go to jail.
I went knowingly into a riot, with a stick.. (or add knife, shotgun, hunting rifle.)

If the riot made its way to MY house.. and somebody tried to endanger me and my family.. and I ended up killing two or three..
I would not go to jail.


Putting weapons into a hot situation, when nobody knows who you are, will escalate a bad situation.


I would love to own a AR-15 and parade it all over my little town.. while I am doing a little grocery shopping.
But, I would NOT want my twice next over neighbor to do the same, because he is a god damn full blown idiot, and I wouldn't trust him with a dull pocket knife in public.
So I am happy we have laws that exclude some from owning weapons and properly vet those that want to.


.

Thanks for that. Now that you got it off your chest. The jury disagrees and he walked free all charges dismissed.

Anything else you would like to say about your neighbour?

 

[nun_hunter]

What this case really highlights is the difference between those who can look at facts and evidence impartially and then apply the law at the time and place to those to draw a conclusion without being swayed by the media and emotion and those who are incapable of doing so.

Either you understand the way the law works (what the offence is and the points needed to prove the offence occurred) or you believe that your own moral compass is superior and facts arent needed as "you know best".

This whole debacle has just proved that the majority of the public believe what headline they briefly read (or have forced down their throats by social media) without actually bothering to get a balanced view and able to seperate their feelings from what is presented to them.

 

[gixer1]

What surprises me is given the violence and deaths that have happened at protests I.e. charlottesville, that someone who intentionally goes there, with a weapon and them shoots person 1, doesn't think that others may try and stop him so while he may have acted in self defense surely it's of his own making that he was attacked in the first place.

If you look at any other shootings into groups of people most would say they wanted the shooter stopped

So if someone is was attacking you or your neighbours home/business you would not help?

And what did you expect him to do after the first person was shot? Stay there and let mob mentality consume him?

People seem to be fixated on the “he went there with a weapon”…..nothing at all illegal about that and going to somewhere in the us where there is the chance of violence with a stick would be unwise - sure, he could have stayed away, but so could the protesters and not burned, looted and attacked people…i am glad there are people in the world that try to protect others!

All of this remember, was due to the shooting of some scumbag career criminal who got out of a car towards a police officer with a knife….why did they feel that should be protested?? Did they expect the officer to just allow him to carry on?

Regards,
Gixer

 

[Bavarianbrit]

I have a friend an old work colleague who was in East LA in 1992 staying with his partners family as he was unemployed at the time, they were all forced to stay in the house keeping away from the windows for 12 days due to the Rodney King mobs prowling the streets with no police presence , I managed to get him a job in New Mexico so he could flee the place. He told me all about his experience a few days later and often commented on the mob rule ways of the rough areas. He was English and would never arm himself, just not his way Gentle Jack was his nickname. I think the dynamics of those days in Kenosha cannot be appreciated by hindsight from afar.

 

[Mick Miller]

 

[Jamsie]

And when he routinely crossed from one side to the other, would he routinely don his AR15 ?

He made a point of getting his rifle, carrying it openly, and going to an area where he knew there was rioting.

As far as I’m concerned, this act, was inciting trouble, which it did, and people died as a consequence.

Thank god we have the firearms laws we have !

What nonsense!

Jamsie

 

[T.eddie]

So if someone is was attacking you or your neighbours home/business you would not help?

And what did you expect him to do after the first person was shot? Stay there and let mob mentality consume him?

People seem to be fixated on the “he went there with a weapon”…..nothing at all illegal about that and going to somewhere in the us where there is the chance of violence with a stick would be unwise - sure, he could have stayed away, but so could the protesters and not burned, looted and attacked people…i am glad there are people in the world that try to protect others!

All of this remember, was due to the shooting of some scumbag career criminal who got out of a car towards a police officer with a knife….why did they feel that should be protested?? Did they expect the officer to just allow him to carry on?

Regards,
Gixer

But he was only attacked because he went out his way to go there, where as they have police/national guard for protecting things at least that would have been my logic

 

[gixer1]

But he was only attacked because he went out his way to go there, where as they have police/national guard for protecting things at least that would have been my logic

The police were not protecting the businesses, they even showed a vid Leo of the police thanking the people who had come out to help and protect businesses.

Why, regardless of the location should anyone have been attacking him??? That seems to be the problem - people blame him yet conveniently
forget these scum bags were burning things; attacking people and generally causing a nuisance.

Many people go out of their way to put themselves in harms way to protect others…those are the people I feel we need more of as a society. You do not run and hide as a community when mobs are trying to wreck them for the sake of having some fun.

Regards;
Gixer

 

[Lateral]

I think you made up your mind before the verdict . Would you feel better if the jury was composed of BLM members ? I still find it odd that everyone keeps bringing up black oppression when it was three white guys that were shot . I'm not going to comment on the legal system of another country like the US , or the UK for that matter . There has been a lot of discussion on our side of the border about this case . Most legal thought here reflects the outcome reached today in the US , he would've been found innocent . As to being armed and looking for trouble , maybe . It wasn't hard to find when there were mobs of lowlifes burning and looting a city . There are a lot of problems in the US , just like here and in the UK . A 17 year old kid stood up and tried to make a difference, like it or not , he is , in every legal sense , innocent .

AB

AB,

I'm embarrassed to say, that I'd never even heard of "Rittenhouse", until I read this thread !

I then read the verdict, and spent some time googling, and watching the video, to find out more. So if anything, I started with a totally open mind to the boy, and the case, it would appear, unlike some people commenting !

Who the victims were, is SO IRRELIVANT, in the context of being where they were at the time, and I find it EXTRAORDINARY, that the three people he shot, just HAPPEN to be people most of society would be happy to see them removed from it. Myself included ! But just what are the odds ???


Just what did the idiot think was going to happen, when he turned up at a riot, with a rifle in hand, over people being illegally shot ? What do people think would have happened if the KKK decided it was a good place to go ?


I'm saddened by the apparent such blinkered views

 

[Klenchblaize]

Verdict in but you can bet your last Federal primer this is not the end of matters arising.

Think “military type weapon” if requiring a clue.

K

 

[Lateral]

The police were not protecting the businesses, they even showed a vid Leo of the police thanking the people who had come out to help and protect businesses.

Why, regardless of the location should anyone have been attacking him??? That seems to be the problem - people blame him yet conveniently
forget these scum bags were burning things; attacking people and generally causing a nuisance.

Many people go out of their way to put themselves in harms way to protect others…those are the people I feel we need more of as a society. You do not run and hide as a community when mobs are trying to wreck them for the sake of having some fun.

Regards;
Gixer

I'm all for trying to look after others. I'm all for protecting ones own personal property, but lawless vigilantes, going around, exacting their own personal justice, based on their own prejudices.......................................beyond belief

 

[Lateral]

What nonsense!

Jamsie

 

[T.eddie]

I'm all for trying to look after others. I'm all for protecting ones own personal property, but lawless vigilantes, going around, exacting their own personal justice, based on their own prejudices.......................................beyond belief

Agreed

 

[gixer1]

I'm all for trying to look after others. I'm all for protecting ones own personal property, but lawless vigilantes, going around, exacting their own personal justice, based on their own prejudices.......................................beyond belief

He wasn’t exacting his own personal justice….he was defending himself.

The reason he was there was the same as hundreds others - to prevent damage to property by the mob pushing flaming skips around trying to wreck everything!

 

[bobthedug]

AB,

I'm embarrassed to say, that I'd never even heard of "Rittenhouse", until I read this thread !

I then read the verdict, and spent some time googling, and watching the video, to find out more. So if anything, I started with a totally open mind to the boy, and the case, it would appear, unlike some people commenting !

Who the victims were, is SO IRRELIVANT, in the context of being where they were at the time, and I find it EXTRAORDINARY, that the three people he shot, just HAPPEN to be people most of society would be happy to see them removed from it. Myself included ! But just what are the odds ???


Just what did the idiot think was going to happen, when he turned up at a riot, with a rifle in hand, over people being illegally shot ? What do people think would have happened if the KKK decided it was a good place to go ?


I'm saddened by the apparent such blinkered views

You say you had an open mind.
You further state that you googled, then watched the video.
And yet you are of the opinion that the Jury, all 12 of them, who have sat through weeks of evidence which included detailed examination and dissection of Rittenhouses movements and actions on that night from witnesses and several videos, have got it wrong?

 

[User00053]

good fodder for debate though, enjoying this one. God bless America!