Gundog Theft at Game Fair

[VSS]

I can only think an ill thought out opportunist crime by some low life that just couldn't help themselves, or the said low life's bird/wife said they wanted it so keeping it as there own house pet.

On the face of it, that is how it would appear, but if that's the case, why choose to steal that particular high-profile animal at such an event, even to the extent of breaking into the vehicle, when there were so many other easier opportunities that would have served the same purpose and caused less of an outcry? That's what makes me think that someone knew exactly what they were after.

Of course i realise that but ur never going to get any real value out of the pups. So why steal it?
U obviously can't advertise the real pedigree/breeding so u can only sell on the value of fake KC papers.

You'd pass the pups off as your own breeding, falsely registered as being out of your own bitch by your own dog, so when they go on and do well the reputation of your own bloodline would be enhanced and the value of your subsequent litters would be higher. And at the same time you've removed a competitor from the running.

 

[Cranborne]

@VSS Sorry, I disagree with you. Any enhanced value attributable to the pups will require them to be registered with the Kennel Club as her progeny. Without the papers, they are just another litter of pups. Unfortunately, there are people who will steal anything they perceive as valuable, even when they are too thick to understand they can't realise anything like the true value on a subsequent sale. I hope the offer of a £5k reward is sufficient to ensure the dog is returned or, better still, the police catch them and they get banged up (highly unlikely under our judicial system).

 

[Jura]

@VSS Sorry, I disagree with you. Any enhanced value attributable to the pups will require them to be registered with the Kennel Club as her progeny. Without the papers, they are just another litter of pups. Unfortunately, there are people who will steal anything they perceive as valuable, even when they are too thick to realise they can't realise anything like the true value on a subsequent sale. I hope the offer of a £5k reward is sufficient to ensure the dog is returned or, better still, the police catch them and they get banged up (highly unlikely under our judicial system).

Totally agree

 

[VSS]

@VSS Sorry, I disagree with you. Any enhanced value attributable to the pups will require them to be registered with the Kennel Club as her progeny. Without the papers, they are just another litter of pups. Unfortunately, there are people who will steal anything they perceive as valuable, even when they are too thick to understand they can't realise anything like the true value on a subsequent sale. I hope the offer of a £5k reward is sufficient to ensure the dog is returned or, better still, the police catch them and they get banged up (highly unlikely under our judicial system).

Fair enough. I think you've missed the point I was trying to make, but never mind.

 

[Wilbur]

How do we no the thief has stolen the dog knowing or thinking there just might be a reward for this and he will be £5000 better off when he turns up and says he found it?

 

[Brighty3006]

I really do wonder sometimes how various threads on here turn into what sounds like schoolchildren arguing over who has the best packed lunch.

 

[Drum123]

I really do wonder sometimes how various threads on here turn into what sounds like schoolchildren arguing over who has the best packed lunch.

Ham sandwich(white sliced) bag of pickled onion monster munch , a wagon wheel , Mr Kipling Bakewell tart and a banana.No arguing about it.THE best of packed lunch when I was a kid .

 

[Klenchblaize]

Fair enough. I think you've missed the point I was trying to make, but never mind.

I didn’t:
“You'd pass the pups off as your own breeding, falsely registered as being out of your own bitch by your own dog, so when they go on and do well the reputation of your own bloodline would be enhanced and the value of your subsequent litters would be higher.”

Let’s hope the dog is returned soon and without having had it’s chip cut out with a swing blade.

K

 

[VSS]

I didn’t:
“You'd pass the pups off as your own breeding, falsely registered as being out of your own bitch by your own dog, so when they go on and do well the reputation of your own bloodline would be enhanced and the value of your subsequent litters would be higher.”

Let’s hope the dog is returned soon and without having had it’s chip cut out with a swing blade.

K

Ah, glad someone realised what I was driving at!
I've seen it done in pedigree livestock breeding, so have no reason to suppose it wouldn't also happen in the dog world.
Routine DNA sampling (as we do with all of the lambs born in our flock) is the only thing that would discourage such unscrupulous behaviour.

 

[landkeeper]

There's a big difference between claiming that a lamb or bull or heifer is by a different sire than it actually is , than stealing an identifiable bitch to breed an imposter litter or two from .!
The trialing gundog Community is a relatively small world most if not all are known to one another and someone who had a stolen dog would be ostracised very quickly if discovered. I can't see it myself most people buying a pup would want to see pups with the dam you'd have to have two bitches whelping very close together to pass pups off that way
I think more some lowlife opportunist scumbag just took a chance

 

[countrryboy]

I got the point but i don't think it is really true for gundogs and esp not for bitches.

Yes u might produce 2 or 3 litters of pups but they still have to go on and win stuff to make any difference to a reputation/kennel name.
If u are selling the pups on in their 'fake' bitches name i doubt any top FT boys would even look to buy a pup of u.

While u don't need to be a pro trainer to win stuff and high % of wins are by pro trainers, for an unknown trainer to buy a 'random' pup and have the knowledge and experience to get it to competition level is unlikely.
As most contenders just like the pro's wouldn't waste their time buying a pup unless it is bred right on paper. And for that there is no way round it.

Its not like breeding pedigree stock were it only has to look good and u have enough stock that introducing a stolen tup/ram even for 1 season could make a massive difference to ur bloodlines.
1 bitch no matter how good won't do that.

And to be honest even if wot u say happened questions might be asked if 1 random bitch from very average lines suddenly starts producing fantastic FT winning pups and the rest of her line is still bang average.
Some of the really knowledgable trainers might see these dogs working/competing even recognise the style/look/speed of these 'wonder pups' if the line of the stolen bitch had a paticular style.
After all thats why trainers travel the length of the country to line there bitch of different sires or like different kennel lines as some will have different looks or styles

Not that i have a criminal mind at all but just seems so little logic in this case, none of it makes sense, lot of risk for little or no reward.

Other than wilburs post, if they knew it was a competeing dog they would know be a lot of press coverage and a possibly a reward, more so than just for joe bloggs dog.
5K profit within days and no hard work of whelping pups and with the puppy market the way it is it might take 2+ litters to make 5K profit

 

[Myster Fied]

Lol at the guy who said he didn't see any.... like rats they are everywhere and they were certainly there!

 

[Goingback]

Does this dog have value outside of the UK and how difficult would it be to get it through French Customs?

K

I think that the dog would sadly pass away of old age in the queue getting to French customs.

 

[Pelyma]

Ah, glad someone realised what I was driving at!
I've seen it done in pedigree livestock breeding, so have no reason to suppose it wouldn't also happen in the dog world.
Routine DNA sampling (as we do with all of the lambs born in our flock) is the only thing that would discourage such unscrupulous behaviour.

I could see this working with a show dog as you are really just relying on the genetics to produce the right animal, but to train a working dog to that level needs more than genetics. To my mind it is more likely to have been pinched for the reward or an opportunist. I was at a lure coursing event when 3 salukis were stolen from a Subaru Impreza, they broke the rear screen and dragged the dogs out. One got away, one was found a week later and the third was never found.

 

[Wilbur]

One of my mates was representing Scotland and he tells me there was quite a few dogs stolen throughout the gamefare

 

[bottletopbill]

Come on folk's the dog as gone the owner must feel like Sh-- and we don't know who took it .
As for security guards look at the shops to scared to tackle any one. Have a ring and let all the owners work together to monitor at shows or events.

Lets hope they get it back soon

 

[spanj]

When you could have been a man and said SORRY you come out with that ? WOW! You have some neck! Well yes there is a need for it because you're spreading rumours (as you have admitted yourself) that are not true. Perhaps you should have kept quiet because the owner, who has done nothing wrong what soever, is going through hell right now when they should have been walking around proud to have represented their country. Clearly targeted by a tea leaf who knows that they're in the ring for a considerable amount of time! Does a team member have to employ a guard for their dogs in order to compete for the country these days? What if they can't afford it? Put yourself in their shoes.
I would suggest that the gun dog teams get their own sucure enclosure for future years because this situation cannot and must not happen again!

Keyboard warrior eh. Apologise for what ? The dog was stolen from an unattended vehicle, fact not rumour.

 

[enfieldspares]

Ham sandwich(white sliced) bag of pickled onion monster munch , a wagon wheel , Mr Kipling Bakewell tart and a banana.No arguing about it.THE best of packed lunch when I was a kid .

Proper full size Wagon Wheels? The diameter of a "battue" clay pigeon? Or today's ones that seem nearer in size to a 50p piece?

 

[Drum123]

Proper full size Wagon Wheels? The diameter of a "battue" clay pigeon? Or today's ones that seem nearer in size to a 50p piece?

Full size . Used to feed a family of 4 for a week . I laugh at today's offerings . I can often be found in Asda in Kendal sneering my contempt at the confectionary on offer .

 

[baguio]

Keyboard warrior eh. Apologise for what ? The dog was stolen from an unattended vehicle, fact not rumour.

What has the warm weather got to do with anything when it was in a temperature controlled vehicle? This was a top trainer competing for their country. Something that most of us will never do and yet you're on here slating the poor sod! Well done you! You are aware that they can't take their vehicles into the ring or their other competition dogs I assume? "Better to remain quiet and be thought an idiot than to speak up and confirm it" Abraham Lincoln!