Habicht 8x50 std vs Kurz
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@theroedeerguy
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The Kurz has a dot reticle within the crosshairs if that makes sense and when you take off the elevation turret cover you’ll see the metallic contact for attaching the illumination device.
Ouhout
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Thank you - this one doesn't have a dot - it has the 4A reticle
@theroedeerguy
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I had always thought that the Kurz fixed power 8x56 and 8x50 models were only available with illuminated reticles.
I use the 8x50 version and find the reticle works very well and the scope is excellent for woodland stalking.
Ouhout
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Thats what I think it is
Muntybuck5803
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Concur with the above. It means ‘short’. Unsure how much shorter it actually is.
I have a Swaro 3-12 habicht (none illuminated) and the original box states kurz on it but that’s not marked anywhere on the scope.
I have a Swaro 3-12 habicht (none illuminated) and the original box states kurz on it but that’s not marked anywhere on the scope.
Loki
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There are also 'Kurz' carrtridges of the shorter length in a variety of 'vintage' calibres...........
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WildBoarHunter
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Swarovski Habicht catalogue lists the lenght of the Swarovski PF 8×50 L at 33,1 cm.
My own 8x50 is that length & it says ‘Kurz’ on the box.
WildBoarHunter
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I think the old Habicht 8×50 was longer than that and the newer version was shorter and sometimes called kurz. I'm not sure of that and can't provide any proof. I only have access to the most recent Habicht catalogue. I know it is recent as it list Habicht scopes with SR rail. They only made Habicht scopes with Sr rail in the last 2 or so years and they stopped making them in 2006 when they started making Z6i so the catalogue must be from 2004 - 2006 period.
To expand on what’s mentioned above - the name Habicht was applied to several generations of scope & on its own is relatively useless as far as model/feature identification is concerned. For instance there was the Habicht (pre-Nova); the Habicht Nova; the Habicht A / AV series & most recently the Habicht PF / PV series (the 8x50 shown in the first post is a PF). After that came the Z series which don’t have the Habicht name applied.
I’ve got several old Swarovski specification / dimension tables which cover the PF Habicht series, they only ever show a single length & don’t mention ‘Kurz’ (although the boxes can do). As WildBoarHunter hypothesises the description may be with regard & relative to an earlier series of scope rather than there being a short 8x50 PF & a long 8x50 PF (especially as such a ‘long’ beast hasn’t been seen as far as I know).
That’s obvious & not in question.
What isn’t obvious is why Swarovski applied the description to a scope that there doesn’t appear to be a longer version of within its own series (i.e. the PF/PV); is it a comparison to the previous series for instance?
WildBoarHunter
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My Frankonia catalogue season 1994 / 1995 lists both older Habicht Nova and the then brand new Habicht PV scopes. The catalogue also includes the then brand new 3-12×50 Habicht and states it was 36,4 mm long. My most recent pdf catalogue of Habicht scopes lists the model 3-12×50 at 34 mm long. As I said earlier I suspect this latest catalogue to be from 2004 - 2006 period. So sometime between 1995 and 2004 Swarovski started making new improved shorter Habicht PV / PF scopes. Not all scopes were remaked but some were. The 1,5-6×42 and 2.5-10×42 appear to remain the same length through their existence while 2,5-10×56 and 3-12×50 appear shortened sometime around 2004. I also posted a german article below, which confirmes, that in 2004 a new Habicht 3-12×50 came out and it was 2,4 cm shorter than older model and it was indeed called Kurz. You can use google translate to read it.
So my guess is, I would call this a 1. and 2. generation of Habicht scopes and would consider the "Kurz" type as the newer model. So far I can not confirm that a "1. generation" longer type 8×50 existed at all. But it may very well did exist. Will check the rest of Frankonia catalogue tomorrow.
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So my guess is, I would call this a 1. and 2. generation of Habicht scopes and would consider the "Kurz" type as the newer model. So far I can not confirm that a "1. generation" longer type 8×50 existed at all. But it may very well did exist. Will check the rest of Frankonia catalogue tomorrow.
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Stevie/P
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Very nice wish I’d of kept mine has your got the illumination dot or cross
Dot. In great nick.
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