Had a break open rifle in my hand last Saturday

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Bavarianbrit

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I was visiting my pal Klauses gunshop last Saturday to get his last tub of VvN160 and he showed me a kipplauf rifle in 8x68s with a carbon stock and a titanium block system from Fanzoj Jagdwaffen GmbH, Griesgasse 3, A-9170 Ferlach, Austria. It was made for a German aristocrat at a cost of 70,000 Euros not yet delivered to him so was new. It was very nice but too rich for my tastes. Had to pay 16 Euros for 100 primers and 138 Euros for the 1 kg of powder, Klaus said the prices are going mad.
 
From your description that rifle could be for sale shortly at a substantial discount and with half a box of free cartridges.
It sounds way too light.
 
That sounds nice. I’ve fantasised about owning one since visiting gunmakers row at the game fair at Broadlands in the mid 80s. Holts next auction has a few nice double rifles including one at my cheapskate end of the budget.

A verney carron sagittaire 8x57 jrs with a guide price of £800-900. With a lovely case too. That looks like a bargain but the faff involved in getting a variation quickly enough means I’m not going beyond drooling over pictures.

The gun shop in Bletchley had one in last year in .30-06 for £2200 which seemed a good price. This one at holts must surely be a bargain.
 
It was very very nice but costing a Porsche Cayenne is not my idea of a fair price for a boomstick, but these "aristocrats" have our money coming out of their wazoo so for him it might be the equivalent of me spending £5K on a Blaser.
 
You’re right. I was talking to a chap in my village pub ( he was super rich) who had been invited to a game shoot. He had an SGC but had only shot clays.

He went into town that day on whim and bought a Beretta eell - just so he had a game gun to use on the impromptu day. To him that £5k ( it was ten years ago) was probably like me buying an ancient aya yeoman. It’s all relative I suppose, but at least he had worked hard for his wealth and not because a distant relative helped William the conqueror pacify us Anglo Saxons. Do I sound like a closet socialist? It’s not my natural leaning but it does seem nuts that a few ducal families own so much of our small country. Is it the same in Germany?

That said, I have one of the duke of Rutland boundary markers built into my property from 250 yrs ago - and he isn’t having that back. 😬
 
Bavarianbrit said:
I was visiting my pal Klauses gunshop last Saturday to get his last tub of VvN160 and he showed me a kipplauf rifle in 8x68s with a carbon stock and a titanium block system from Fanzoj Jagdwaffen GmbH, Griesgasse 3, A-9170 Ferlach, Austria. It was made for a German aristocrat at a cost of 70,000 Euros not yet delivered to him so was new. It was very nice but too rich for my tastes. Had to pay 16 Euros for 100 primers and 138 Euros for the 1 kg of powder, Klaus said the prices are going mad.
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Get yourself down to Ferlach sometime soon and go and have a potter around some of the gunmakers - its not that far from where you are and well worth the trip.

At the Jagd & Hund before the Pandemic I had a really good look at one - they are beautiful. I was told that they are designed by the same gentleman who did the the Blaser K95, but his original design was to good for mass production and accountants took lots of shortcuts. The Prinz No 1 is what the K95 should have been.

Kipplaufbüchse NO.1 | Prinz Waffen

Büchsenmacher Oswald Prinz
www.prinz-waffen.de www.prinz-waffen.de
 
spannulman said:
You’re right. I was talking to a chap in my village pub ( he was super rich) who had been invited to a game shoot. He had an SGC but had only shot clays.

He went into town that day on whim and bought a Beretta eell - just so he had a game gun to use on the impromptu day. To him that £5k ( it was ten years ago) was probably like me buying an ancient aya yeoman. It’s all relative I suppose, but at least he had worked hard for his wealth and not because a distant relative helped William the conqueror pacify us Anglo Saxons. Do I sound like a closet socialist? It’s not my natural leaning but it does seem nuts that a few ducal families own so much of our small country. Is it the same in Germany?

That said, I have one of the duke of Rutland boundary markers built into my property from 250 yrs ago - and he isn’t having that back. 😬
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Yup its pretty much the same across the whole of Europe. Although in many parts certain gents with stupid moustaches (Adolf and Joe) removed all the really good lands from many and handed it across to their mates. Post war and post communism the former aristocracy still control large parts of the countryside, albeit often as a tenant to the state. And in many cases the hunting rights belong to the state and are then leased back to former owners, hunting clubs etc etc

That being said, my experience of shooting on the continent is that it is much a community thing with every body all getting involved, and non of the guns are carried around in one bus and have lots of wonderful hospitality whilst the beaters can use the barn.
 
spannulman said:
That sounds nice. I’ve fantasised about owning one since visiting gunmakers row at the game fair at Broadlands in the mid 80s. Holts next auction has a few nice double rifles including one at my cheapskate end of the budget.

A verney carron sagittaire 8x57 jrs with a guide price of £800-900. With a lovely case too. That looks like a bargain but the faff involved in getting a variation quickly enough means I’m not going beyond drooling over pictures.

The gun shop in Bletchley had one in last year in .30-06 for £2200 which seemed a good price. This one at holts must surely be a bargain.
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Buy it, or get a friendly RFD to put a bid in for you and is then released to the RFD, then you acquire it once you have your variation through.
 
Heym SR20 said:
… lots of shortcuts. The Prinz No 1 is what the K95 should have been.

Kipplaufbüchse NO.1 | Prinz Waffen

Büchsenmacher Oswald Prinz
www.prinz-waffen.de www.prinz-waffen.de
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Funny you say that.
I see the same but feel the opposite about it. Much of what I see with the traditional gun makers is too long winded for my taste if not to say old fashioned, negating the past 30 years of progress.
The ‘short cut‘ saddle mount on a K95 beats the sh… out of any of the traditional mounts. Metal coating, the Kippblock locking, trigger characteristics etc. are things you cannot even have for money from Prinz. I know them, yes they are nice. But I wouldn‘t want one for afore mentioned reasons.
 
Hmmm. Much attracted to the kipplauf - the one which appears often in the Cervus videos is especially attractive - Merkel? Only thing puts me off is the absence of a quick follow-up which, lets face it, is sometimes required.
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spannulman said:
That sounds nice. I’ve fantasised about owning one since visiting gunmakers row at the game fair at Broadlands in the mid 80s. Holts next auction has a few nice double rifles including one at my cheapskate end of the budget.

A verney carron sagittaire 8x57 jrs with a guide price of £800-900. With a lovely case too. That looks like a bargain but the faff involved in getting a variation quickly enough means I’m not going beyond drooling over pictures.

The gun shop in Bletchley had one in last year in .30-06 for £2200 which seemed a good price. This one at holts must surely be a bargain.
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The case is a shotgun case & doesn’t fit the rifle.

Even without the case adding any value though it would be an excellent buy at something around the high end of the guide price - plus of course buyers commission (inc VAT).
 
Foxyboy43 said:
Hmmm. Much attracted to the kipplauf - the one which appears often in the Cervus videos is especially attractive - Merkel? Only thing puts me off is the absence of a quick follow-up which, lets face it, is sometimes required.
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Another downside to Kipplauf rifles is the attachment of the fore end to the barrel. This makes them prone to PoI changes when they heat up (ok, they‘re not meant to be range rifles) and they tend to be finnicky with regard to where you bed them on the fore end; no wonder.
 
I very nearly did something very unwise with the credit card & a K95 on the Blaser stand at the Stalking Show last year. What the long-haired general would have done to me when I got home stayed my hand, but it was challenging!
 
I managed to scratch the kipplauf itch FOC courtesy of a rather long loan.
The weight which made it a pleasure to carry worked against you when it was time to shoot something, it was far too light and with a super light trigger pull featuring lots of backlash which was not adjustable. It looked good but just wasn’t nice to fire.
 
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