Hand grenade

[Deerhunter22]

we like to think that gun owners are trustworthy but they are just a cross section of society as a whole. You have the good the bad and the ugly in their ranks. How many I wonder are on this forum who like to smoke a joint, partake of the white marching powder or drink more than is sensible or are light fingered? It would be nieve to think all gun owner were sweetness and light.

I do wonder how many gun owners on here smoke the dope cause weed seems to be popular as anything and I don’t think people with licenses would put themselves above smoking it because they got a license. Tbh I think it’s time weed was legalised tbh imo the only reason it isn’t is because of £££££ taxes
If you got guns and doing the cocaine then your a rocket

 

[12gsnapcaps]

I for one think we must immediately ban all hand grenades.

It's common sense hand grenade law.

.... wait ...

 

[enfieldspares]

I for one think we must immediately ban all hand grenades.

It's common sense hand grenade law.

.... wait ...

I hope that there will be a fully compensated surrender scheme...elsewise they only'll take my hand grenades when they prise them from my cold dead fingers....

THIS IS A JOKE BTW (FOR THE BENEFIT OF THOSE "OTHERS" THAT MIGHT BE VIEWING THIS FORUM). JUST SO THEY KNOW.

 

[12gsnapcaps]

Germany has an estimated 20 million unlicensed and 5 million legally held firearms.
Amokkers happen few and far between and it is usually teenage schoolhouse rock shiite and then it is done with the legal held one took from daddies safe.

I would imagine there are many just 'un-registered' firearns in this country still. Stowed away either known or unknown in lofts, attics, baselements, barns.

I used to have a ww2 Lee Enfield that was originally a barn find, likely brought back from the war or similar. Handed to an RFD and then put on ticket.

A guy I know from down the pub - but who is usually trustworthy - told me that he was working on a house somewhat recently (total remodel/refurb) and they found a couple of shotguns in the attic. Most likely they were frittered away when shotguns became registered in the 80's and the owner of them at the time couldn't be bothered adding their serial numbers to his ticket.

I would imagine there are many, many shotguns still frittered away for that exact reason.

 

[hendrix's rifle]

I would imagine there are many just 'un-registered' firearns in this country still. Stowed away either known or unknown in lofts, attics, baselements, barns.

I used to have a ww2 Lee Enfield that was originally a barn find, likely brought back from the war or similar. Handed to an RFD and then put on ticket.

A guy I know from down the pub - but who is usually trustworthy - told me that he was working on a house somewhat recently (total remodel/refurb) and they found a couple of shotguns in the attic. Most likely they were frittered away when shotguns became registered in the 80's and the owner of them at the time couldn't be bothered adding their serial numbers to his ticket.

I would imagine there are many, many shotguns still frittered away for that exact reason.

You've also got all the DIY + printed guns. They are a far bigger issue than an old sbs or the likes in someones loft

 

[Twodogs]

I do wonder how many gun owners on here smoke the dope cause weed seems to be popular as anything and I don’t think people with licenses would put themselves above smoking it because they got a license. Tbh I think it’s time weed was legalised tbh imo the only reason it isn’t is because of £££££ taxes
If you got guns and doing the cocaine then your a rocket

Whilst many support the legalising of cannabis, which seems to be so prevalent in our society, many also fail to understand the empirical evidence of both the short and long term consumption.
Many also fail to realise that, depending on a number of factors that may or may not be present, cannabis can be detectable in the system for up to a month. This catches many drivers out. How might this affect any FAC/shotgun licensing decision?
As FAC/shotgun certificate holders we are deemed to be responsible citizens, however we live in a very liberal society and have much autonomy over our decision making.

 

[12gsnapcaps]

Whilst many support the legalising of cannabis, which seems to be so prevalent in our society, many also fail to understand the empirical evidence of both the short and long term consumption.
Many also fail to realise that, depending on a number of factors that may or may not be present, cannabis can be detectable in the system for up to a month. This catches many drivers out. How might this affect any FAC/shotgun licensing decision?
As FAC/shotgun certificate holders we are deemed to be responsible citizens, however we live in a very liberal society and have much autonomy over our decision making.

I have seen enough childhood friends who now have severe psychosis and other mental heath conditions, to know that weed is not a harmless drug and the police are quite right to class its consumption as a choice which effects your 'fit and proper' status. Most 'weed' these days comes from extremely psychoactive, potent manmade/engineered strains.

I'm very happy never to have done it and have absolutely no desire to try. Just as I have no interest in any other drugs such as heroin or crack.

 

[shakey jake]

I have seen enough childhood friends who now have severe psychosis and other mental heath conditions, to know that weed is not a harmless drug and the police are quite right to class its consumption as a choice which effects your 'fit and proper' status. Most 'weed' these days comes from extremely psychoactive, potent manmade/engineered strains.

I'm very happy never to have done it and have absolutely no desire to try. Just as I have no interest in any other drugs such as heroin or crack.

I do find it amusing the people that talk of the risks of cannabis as a reason for it not to be legal.
Alcohol and tobacco are both known to cause harm, yet sold openly.
Arguably sugar is now the most dangerous drug in the uk
Funny how norms are seen as ok.
People should be free to choose what they enjoy if it doesnt hurt others directly

 

[Deerhunter22]

I have seen enough childhood friends who now have severe psychosis and other mental heath conditions, to know that weed is not a harmless drug and the police are quite right to class its consumption as a choice which effects your 'fit and proper' status. Most 'weed' these days comes from extremely psychoactive, potent manmade/engineered strains.

I'm very happy never to have done it and have absolutely no desire to try. Just as I have no interest in any other drugs such as heroin or crack.

I’ve never tried any drug myself it’s not my thing and I never let myself be peer pressured into it. But I don’t think Weed would be why your friends have issues, I suspect they have done hard drugs whether or whether they haven’t disclosed that to you idk but I doubt weed is why they psychosis, weed has many medicinal uses and many turn to it for mental health to calm themselves down and chill. When I had sever anxiety to a point I couldn’t function I used to think Weed was maybe a thing to try, as I said i never did but then I have friends who have done weed or still do weed but I make sure to keep a distance from them if they are doing it purely cause I don’t wanna be associated with it but meh

We all get 1 life I think if people wanna do weed let them seems to be not problematic in my view In the exposure of people I’ve known to have done it which is near everyone I can think of they all seem fine. I know of two people 1 of them there life is practically over sadly because of serious drugs and alcohol consumption and they are only 24 but it has ruined there life and rehab isn’t working
Another ended up being slashed with a knife by the drug dealers but this is hard drugs like cocaine I’m on about

Here I’m not purporting to be an expert but in the exposure to it I have had via friends and there views they say it’s fine but then yeh but I do doubt your friends have done weed and solely tht to end up with serious mental health issues

 

[Bo Diddley]

Tbh I think it’s time weed was legalised

Nah...
I've known loads of dopeheads, met them through work and carp fishing, none of them is worth bothering with, all out of the same mindset. "Plant the Seed", and sit watching it grow, while you scrape by on benefits and poncing off "mates", Wasters the lot of 'em.

 

[Deerhunter22]

Whilst many support the legalising of cannabis, which seems to be so prevalent in our society, many also fail to understand the empirical evidence of both the short and long term consumption.
Many also fail to realise that, depending on a number of factors that may or may not be present, cannabis can be detectable in the system for up to a month. This catches many drivers out. How might this affect any FAC/shotgun licensing decision?
As FAC/shotgun certificate holders we are deemed to be responsible citizens, however we live in a very liberal society and have much autonomy over our decision making.

I agree with the fact weed is traceable long after consumption and I think to be high and using a firearm would be an insane mix and to use a car whilst high likewise is stupid because reaction times become a lot slower as does vision
But I’m on about if it was legalised, if it were legal I’d expect car use and firearm use whilst on weed to remain illegal
But then how do you police that ? You can’t really and therefore legalising it is probably not wise
Edibles tho idk if there’s a difference in those and consumption/long term effect

 

[Deerhunter22]

Nah...
I've known loads of dopeheads, met them through work and carp fishing, none of them is worth bothering with, all out of the same mindset. "Plant the Seed", and sit watching it grow, while you scrape by on benefits and poncing off "mates", Wasters the lot of 'em.

Well thing is legal or not, weed is common as muck it seems, I reckon if I gave it any thought to observe I doubt a day goes past I’m not near it, today at work a boy was smoking it outside for instance

 

[Bo Diddley]

Alcohol and tobacco... if they were fresh on the scene right now, would be treated the same as other drugs.... says the man enjoying a Scotch & Coke, "hypocrite", while waiting for the local election results to arrive... fingers crossed for a Reform landslide... I love to back a winner... last one was Shergar

 

[Bo Diddley]

Well thing is legal or not, weed is common as muck it seems, I reckon if I gave it any thought to observe I doubt a day goes past I’m not near it, today at work a boy was smoking it outside for instance

Yep, it's common, same as Coke. Hell, all the scaffold boys have a line of "Chop" for breakfast to start the day, but that doesn't make it right, though. One lad has just battered a chap and put him in hospital, fcuked him up completely, all because he dared to take his old girlfriend out on a date ... that's not right.

 

[Skogsmannen]

Read today somewhere that Sweden has amended its firearms laws to allow owner licence to cover many calibres.
Simpler system no doubt.
Anyone got a link to it?

Not sure if it's changed but it my limited understanding is that firearms (for hunting at least) are grouped into a few different categories and that you do a fairly comprehensive written exam and three different shooting tests (shotgun, basic rifle and then running moose) and the shooting tests also cover gun safety etc, but once you have completed them all (if you want/need all calibres), that's it, no renewing every 5 years like we have to. I don't know exactly, but it seems like you are alowed a certain number of firearms without much fuss and then over than number you do have to have a good reason and apply for them.

Very roughly, Class 4 is 22LR, 17hmr, Class 3 is 22magnum/hornet, Class2 is 22cf, 243 and class 1 is bigger CF

I do know they recently allowed less traditional semi auto CF rifles (previously only allowed to be "non military styled") as one of our neighbours came over to show me his new AR15 based purchase and my parents, who were visiting, freaked out a bit at rhe sight of a big guy in winter camo coming down the drive with an assault rifle!

 

[Jagare]

Read today somewhere that Sweden has amended its firearms laws to allow owner licence to cover many calibres.
Simpler system no doubt.
Anyone got a link to it?

To get a hunting weapon, shotgun, or rifle, you have to take the hunting exam. I took the hunting exam over twenty years ago when my Swedish, spoken and written, was not very good. I managed to pass it with a quite good score. When I moved to Sweden, I had a dispensation from Naturvårdsverket, Ministry of Nature, to get a licence for my guns with the proviso that I passed the hunting exam within one year. I did get an extension of six months because the course took longer because of school terms, holidays etc.
As said in #55, there are 4 classes of rifles. Class 3/4 for small game. Class 2 for roe and beaver, etc ans Class 1 for all other hoofed game.
At this moment in time you can have up to 6 hunting weapons. Four with having to justify and two more if you give a reason for them plus extra barrels. Pistols and fully auto on a 5 year licence club use only. You can own a single shot pistol for use when digging foxes or badgers.
From the 1st June the law is changing. It will be eight hunting weapons with an extra two if you can justify them plus two extra barrels. The 5 year licence for pistols and fully auto are disappearing replaced by a five yearly oversight.on top of your hunting weapons you can of course have skeet, trap, and target/ competition guns for various shooting forms.

 

[CAVHUNT]

Hello Jagare....mate...your terminology is a bit off. Recreational firearm owners use the term "firearm" for hunting, target shooting etc.

A weapon is a firearm used by the military, police etc with the imtention of using them on people so the term "weapon" is appropiate.

The difference puts us into a benign group in the general community.

A weapon puts us into a group that has the intention of using them to hurt people.

 

[wytonpjs]

Hello Jagare....mate...your terminology is a bit off. Recreational firearm owners use the term "firearm" for hunting, target shooting etc.

A weapon is a firearm used by the military, police etc with the imtention of using them on people so the term "weapon" is appropiate.

The difference puts us into a benign group in the general community.

A weapon puts us into a group that has the intention of using them to hurt people.

Agreed, but sadly that’s the connection made by the vast majority of people including the Police. Semantics versus societal norms

 

[Jagare]

Hello Jagare....mate...your terminology is a bit off. Recreational firearm owners use the term "firearm" for hunting, target shooting etc.

A weapon is a firearm used by the military, police etc with the imtention of using them on people so the term "weapon" is appropiate.

The difference puts us into a benign group in the general community.

A weapon puts us into a group that has the intention of using them to hurt people.

I have a vapen licence for my hunting weapons. Vapen = weapon. There is no difference in the terminology between hunting and weapons for war here.
It's good to see that you use the term firearms that certainly has stopped the government's of the UK ans Australia from constantly tightening the firearms laws.

 

[Deerhunter22]

Hello Jagare....mate...your terminology is a bit off. Recreational firearm owners use the term "firearm" for hunting, target shooting etc.

A weapon is a firearm used by the military, police etc with the imtention of using them on people so the term "weapon" is appropiate.

The difference puts us into a benign group in the general community.

A weapon puts us into a group that has the intention of using them to hurt people.

I’d agree, terminology is important as anything. In Canada the Liberals are trying to confiscate all lawfully held AR styled rifle calling them all Assault Weapons
When they recently acquired new guns for the police they called then long guns despite the fact they are AR15’s
Point being terminology is incredibly important