Norfolk Deer Search
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If they’re stalking with me, it’s my way or go home simple as that!
I no longer have a tracking dog, so bust shoulders 99.9% of the time dead deer at the business end.
Head and neck shots with lead ammunition
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I no longer have a tracking dog, so bust shoulders 99.9% of the time dead deer at the business end.
shakey jake
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The gov is doing the same, their way or dont shot
Said before..one hypothesis is ..but needs long term studies to verify...
Is that dementia alzheimer, and Parkinsons ..which is have recently been diagnosed with as young onset Parkinsons... .and other neurological conditions MAY be brought on by long term ingestion of lead ....it would be years before they could say yes or no definitely....but is so hard to see why they may think that, with what we do know about lead?
Paul
Is that dementia alzheimer, and Parkinsons ..which is have recently been diagnosed with as young onset Parkinsons... .and other neurological conditions MAY be brought on by long term ingestion of lead ....it would be years before they could say yes or no definitely....but is so hard to see why they may think that, with what we do know about lead?
Paul
Norfolk Deer Search
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My house my rules it’s as simples as that, I don’t give 2
about the gov they can do one!
Pulled plenty of bits of lead and copper jackets out of food over the years
Numerous papers published proving this link already:
Lead Pollution Linked to Memory Problems, Study Finds | AAIC
Historic lead levels from the era of leaded gasoline may be contributing to cognitive issues 50 years later, suggests research reported at AAIC 2025.
Association between blood lead level and subsequent Alzheimer’s disease mortality - PMC
Previous studies suggest that cumulative lead exposure is associated with cognitive decline, but its relation with Alzheimer’s disease (AD) remains unclear. Therefore, this study investigated the longitudinal association between blood lead level ...
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Let's be clear about this. A scientific paper does not prove anything. It provides evidence, if the study was well performed and is repeatable.
It's not clear what sources of exposure were at play hereLead Pollution Linked to Memory Problems, Study Finds | AAIC
Historic lead levels from the era of leaded gasoline may be contributing to cognitive issues 50 years later, suggests research reported at AAIC 2025.aaic.alz.org
This paper examines mainly airborne organo-lead exposure (from leaded petrol) which is orders of magnitude more toxic than metallic lead as used in ammunition. Thus not relevant.Association between blood lead level and subsequent Alzheimer’s disease mortality - PMC
Previous studies suggest that cumulative lead exposure is associated with cognitive decline, but its relation with Alzheimer’s disease (AD) remains unclear. Therefore, this study investigated the longitudinal association between blood lead level ...
This paper didn't study anyone's actual level of lead exposure, and had the same issue as the paper above, which is a pretty elementary problem.
The misuse of science is as bad as denying it altogether. Lead exposure from leaded petrol, lead paint, industrial premises etc is not relevant to or conflatable with lead ammunition use.
Heym SR20
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Re No 5 - do a literature search on links between elevated levels of lead in the body thanks to ingested lead, and diseases such as acute myeloid Leukaemia, small cell lung cancer etc. AML and SCL have a very poor survival rate.*
You might also want to look at higher levels of lead induced disease in the likes native Americans who eat a lot of hunted meat.
Now do you die from acute lead poisoning very quickly - probably not. Is there a clear increase risk of you contracting a disease that is likely to kill - absolutely. Cause death on the death certificate would the disease you die from.
*there are new treatments for AML and SCL that involve removing lead and other heavy metals from the blood. These are showing very good survival rates for those with secondary disease (ie you have been treated once and its come back again, and life expectancy is then a matter of days). Initial trials were carried out about three years ago and majority of patients are alive, well and showing no sign of disease. These treatments have received Orphan Drug Status under the FDA and working towards both EMA and FDA approvals for general use.
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Heym SR20
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Lead suppresses the action of P53 proteins with suppress tumours and other stray proteins including those associated with dementia and infectious disease.Pulled plenty of bits of lead and copper jackets out of food over the years
Numerous papers published proving this link already:
Lead Pollution Linked to Memory Problems, Study Finds | AAIC
Historic lead levels from the era of leaded gasoline may be contributing to cognitive issues 50 years later, suggests research reported at AAIC 2025.
Association between blood lead level and subsequent Alzheimer’s disease mortality - PMC
Previous studies suggest that cumulative lead exposure is associated with cognitive decline, but its relation with Alzheimer’s disease (AD) remains unclear. Therefore, this study investigated the longitudinal association between blood lead level ...
In other words lead fecks up your bodies own natural ability to stop you getting ill.
And your body doesn’t really care where it ingests lead from - breathing it in in lead fumes, chewing on vintage dinky toys painted with lead paint, lead fragments in game meat or lead in your pint of beer from lead in barley due to it being grown on soil contaminated with lead.
How much lead is actually harmful.
Work carried out at MD Anderson Cancer Clinic in Houston Texas show a high correlation between levels of heavy metals and Acute Myeloid Leukaemia with the average level of lead being 25 nano mols per litre of blood. These results were published in the American Journal of Haemotology in 2020.
To put that into everyday language, that is 0.00000518 grams of lead per litre of blood. You have about 8 to 10 litres of blood in your body.
A no6 shotgun pellet weighs about 0.1 gram, so the level at which there is a correlation with Leukaemia is less 1,000th of a shotgun pellet being adsorbed into your body over a lifetime.
Woodenbeam
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I’m really surprised some people manage to cope with everyday life, must be horrific.
All the risk involved with everyday living - hardly worth living.
Common sense & a rational balanced mind are missing from more & more people these days
All the risk involved with everyday living - hardly worth living.
Common sense & a rational balanced mind are missing from more & more people these days
Bo Diddley
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This has boggled my mind
..All I can think is that the pellet must have been expelled from her anus with such force that it cracked the toilet pan, thus making her investigate the carnage in the bottom of the pan more closely, leading her to find the said pellet...
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Pellet Pinger
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This has boggled my mind
All I can think is that the pellet must have been expelled from her anus with such force that it cracked the toilet pan, thus making her investigate the carnage in the bottom of the pan more closely, leading her to find the said pellet...
Sub 12 or FAC?
Bo Diddley
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I reckon FAC if the pan was in good order, maybe sub 12 if it was an old, weak pan that had been knocked a few times... as you can see, I've thought about it
I reckon FAC if the pan was in good order, maybe sub 12 if it was an old, weak pan that had been knocked a few times... as you can see, I've thought about it
So it couldn't be seen using x ray or mri or whatever then? Otherwise how would the doctors know the lady had a lodged pellet?
I often wonder what happens to the pheasant's shot in September by guns who don't know their arse from their elbow...
Final words in the Keepers briefing " please remember ladies and gentleman it is partridges only"
tackb
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i'm sure you have , but that doesn't answer my question
and if you're pulling them out you're not eating them ?
Heym SR20
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Agreed common sense and a rational mind is needed when managing risks.I’m really surprised some people manage to cope with everyday life, must be horrific.
All the risk involved with everyday living - hardly worth living.
Common sense & a rational balanced mind are missing from more & more people these days
Removing risks of harm that are easy to do and really of very little consequence just makes good sense. Lead in petrol, food packaging (canning etc), water pipes and plumbing, paint and other common household products was removed from use decades ago as the risks to health were already well understood and just too high.
The damage that lead shot causes is also very well understood. Its why the likes the US banned its use on waterfowl decades ago, UK banned it from wildfowl and wetlands 20 odd years ago, and the EU has brought in a complete ban on lead shot in the near future.
Again you fail to note the health risks in smoking which is very expensive to the tune of 5k a year for a 20 a day habit.
Then back in the days when smoking was allowed in planes trains pubs hotels workshops any fracking where
also passive smoking...Bird flu kills more birds than lead ever has or will as shed reared birds as slaughtered in thousands with them never see the land with "lead pellets"
Stop reading tarot cards as it will help a lot.
Yes, it does. It makes an enormous difference as has been conclusively proven. Why would you try to make a scientific point by including obviously false claims with it?
Nonsense. You have about 5 litres of blood. You must be more careful not to associate whatever point you're making with claims that are obviously false or implausible. If people can see that some of what you say is wrong, it discounts the plausibility of the rest .
More nonsense. Adsorbed or absorbed? As you ought to know, blood lead levels have a fairly short half-life. Bone lead levels is where you look for lifetime exposure.
That is very much my view too. A rational overview of the point you keep making about AML is this:
1. It is a relatively rare and unpleasant cancer. It accounts for 1-2% of cancer cases/deaths in the UK.
2. It has poor survival rates. This is partially an artefact of the fact that it predominantly occurs in old people with median age at diagnosis being around 72-73.
3. The risk factors for AML, which may include lead exposure (although major authorities do not list it as a major risk), mainly consist of other factors like smoking, benzene exposure and so on.
4. The risk suggested to be represented by lead exposure amounts to a very small number of cases.
5. Of the various routes of lead absorption over a lifetime for a person at median age of diagnosis, lead from ammunition is a very small percentage of exposure, given that they have had a childhood of lead paint, half their life with leaded petrol, higher levels of occupational exposure etc. - all of which routes are orders of magnitude more potent than lead ammunition.
6. This all adds up to what is known in medical terms as a "negligible risk".
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