Headspace or Headmess
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Nope, OED definition isI thought weapons were used on fellow humans, not critters
“A thing designed or used for inflicting bodily harm or physical damage”
No mention of humans, a caveman’s spear was a weapon, so is the modern hunter’s rifle.
Foxyboy43
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Smellydog
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Interesting, so a mouse trap could be called mouse weapon?
It is still a rifle, rifles were definitely designed to cause physical harm or kill, rifles are weapons. . . .Hmm. And if not used as a hunting rifle?
The mouse would certainly consider it so.....
Foxyboy43
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Cambridge dictionary:-
“Rifle - a type of gun with a longbarrel (= part shaped like a tube), fired from the shoulderand designed to be accurateat long distances”.
I think that as a community we really do need to be a bit more savvy when it comes to public perceptions - we do ourselves no favours referring to our “tools of the trade” as “weapons”, period.
Cambridge dictionary again:-
”Weapon - any object used in fighting or war, such as a gun, bomb, knife, etc.”.
Your call of course but I will stick to Rifle, gun, firearm etc….
And although I had agreed with you. In law he is rightCambridge dictionary:-
“Rifle - a type of gun with a longbarrel (= part shaped like a tube), fired from the shoulderand designed to be accurateat long distances”.
I think that as a community we really do need to be a bit more savvy when it comes to public perceptions - we do ourselves no favours referring to our “tools of the trade” as “weapons”, period.
Cambridge dictionary again:-
”Weapon - any object used in fighting or war, such as a gun, bomb, knife, etc.”.
Your call of course but I will stick to Rifle, gun, firearm etc….
Firearms | The Crown Prosecution Service
Foxyboy43
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Yep I know thanks but my mind is on the increasingly important public perception rather than legal niceties and anyway it is fun to twist a tail, occasionally…..And although I had agreed with you. In law he is right
Firearms | The Crown Prosecution Service
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Yeah well....
I have to say, it did not make much sense to me either
For the record, Andy RV was correct. The headspace refers to the chamber dimensions, not the cartridge dimensions. Cartridge cases have to be shorter than a maximum specified length, and that length is usually shorter than the minimum 'headspace'. (That has to be qualified by the fact that you can find rimless case specifications with a shoulder which has a maximum length longer than the minimum headspace, but you will never find that for rimmed or belted cases.)
The concept of headspace was developed so that rifle makers and ammunition makers could each make products that were compatible with each other and one could be used safely with the other.
For handloaders, headspace is not an issue and can be ignored. Handloaders are making their ammunition specifically for a particular chamber and it matters not (or very little) what the length dimensions of the chamber are, so long as you can get the case to go in it on the one hand and the case is not too short on the other hand. On this matter, as in many others, common sense must prevail.
I’ll use rifle, gun, weapon.Cambridge dictionary:-
“Rifle - a type of gun with a longbarrel (= part shaped like a tube), fired from the shoulderand designed to be accurateat long distances”.
I think that as a community we really do need to be a bit more savvy when it comes to public perceptions - we do ourselves no favours referring to our “tools of the trade” as “weapons”, period.
Cambridge dictionary again:-
”Weapon - any object used in fighting or war, such as a gun, bomb, knife, etc.”.
Your call of course but I will stick to Rifle, gun, firearm etc….
Because those whose perception you are worried about see them all as weapons and all of us as weirdos no matter what word you choose to use or not use.
So what is the African war club I have on the wall a weapon or not, as I have no intent?
Smellydog
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Smellydog
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I met a stranger the other day whilst stalking with my rifle in hand.
We exchanged pleasantries and had a conversation about modern farming practices.
I'm 99.9% certain he didn't see me as a weirdo
Nope, definitely a weaponA piece of wood, like the log sitting on my hearth
No, and he also wouldn’t were if your rifle was described as a weapon.I met a stranger the other day whilst stalking with my rifle in hand.
We exchanged pleasantries and had a conversation about modern farming practices.
I'm 99.9% certain he didn't see me as a weirdo
But those who want to see our sport banner will see it as a weapon no matter what you call it.
It's difficult to set the tone when writing, so to be clear this is just a friendly clarification
, hopefully it'll come across that way .I never disagreed with Andy RV , in fact I said the same in the final paragraph of my previous post .
The thread was never meant as a "how to size brass for a close chamber fit " , that has been covered numerous times . The thread was meant to be about the correct use of the term "headspace" , when used in reloading and meant to start a discussion . By correct I'm not meaning interpretation , because I feel that's what we all have done .
I gave my understanding of the three ways we define headspace, they are related but not the same , only one is a true definition . As more than one person posted . That doesn't stop us using it in reference to the other two . I for one am guilty of that and hold my hands up .
So here's the rub , we accept the use of the term when used in reference to reloading, even though it may be or is incorrect in that particular context . We all understand what is meant in a discussion regarding chamber fit when we refer to headspace . A result of common useage , not correct but common .
Apologies for reiterating.
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