HELP PLEASE.....Can anyone recommend a suitable night vision rifle scope ???

robbobsam

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Hiya Guys,

I want a decent night vision scope to fit on my .243 for night shooting.

I will be after foxes and rabbits up to 200yds and need a good NV set up that is up to the job.

Reliability and good clarity at 200yds are the essential criteria.

What can you recommend ???
 
Unless you have the top range military equipment, I wouldn't bother with it, I haven't seen anything that isn't overly heavy, or with the required clarity @ 200yds in the civvie market yet........... I haven't found the lamp detrimental to fox shooting in the many years using one. Steve.
 
While I tend to agree with the Hon. Finnbear in the wider sense, I have used a Cobra Merlin with great effectiveness just recently on a range of rifles. One of the shortfalls of a pure NV historically has (amongst other things) been suitable magnification. The benefit of the Merlin is that it attaches to your day scope and uses that magnification. Additionally, you're not continually re-zeroing or needing a dedicated night rifle. On the downside you're set back on the stock because of the extension, but it's not unworkable. The other benefits (for me) are: it's light, has a good designator (additional one purchased - but pencil thin/light and good for well over 200 yds), cost less than £500 and allows me to swap it between rifles easily. Oh, and I can use it on it's own as a monocular. It would be easy of course to argue it's jack of all trades and master of none, but attached to a quality day scope, I'd say it was a good option - especially if you're shooting on your own.

As alternatives, Archer do a later Gen one for a lot more money. Dedicated scope-wise the Pulsar Digivision is getting good reviews at the moment (£995) - although magnification is down (5x).

I'd be happy to try and sort a demo of the Merlin for you (somehow) - like all these things, it'll be your personal preference and budget etc.

Are you really going to shoot rabbits with a 243?!
 
Eric, I must thank you most graciously for your elevation of myself to the house!:lol:, seriously though, without a very big influx of the folding stuff, what benefit can night vision equipment have,over a lamp in the hands of experienced riflemen?:shock:
 
I have used a lightforce 140 lance for over 6 months now and whenever the light goes on now the rabbits dart for cover. I have literally shot 100's of them and want a new line of attack.

As for the .243 for rabbits, well the rifle isnt for rabbits especially, but if I see them when I am out looking for charlie, they get it too. The extra weight in the round also gives me a better BC and wind resistance over 200yds too for the longer range shots.
 
ive got a brand new starlight archer unit with a quatum firefly on it that would do the trick PM me if your intrested
 
I have used a lightforce 140 lance for over 6 months now and whenever the light goes on now the rabbits dart for cover. I have literally shot 100's of them and want a new line of attack.

As for the .243 for rabbits, well the rifle isnt for rabbits especially, but if I see them when I am out looking for charlie, they get it too. The extra weight in the round also gives me a better BC and wind resistance over 200yds too for the longer range shots.
Night vision gear AND a 243 for rabbits?

You have too much money :D
 
One of the best nv sight I have seen in action is the one shoot has on here a military spec kite maxi gen 3 . I have been searching for one for months, being a military item these are very hard to find and cost a small fortune.
 
Robbosam, unless you are prepared to spend big money on gen 3 optics I wouldn't bother, I've got a gen1 ATN airies x2.5 mag with IR illuminator which is good out to 25 yds and can see the body of the prey, after that out to 35yds you can see eye reflections, probably further with rabbits but no body form, I use mine for ratting on an Air Arms TDR 12 ft lbs probably the the lightest of the PCP air rifles and it's excellent, the scope weighs in at 3.5 lbs. I was going to phone NVG UK today to have a word with Carl Smith about an LIR80 /100 illuminator to see if it will give me a better range, it says in the write up it's good out to 200 yds depending on whether it's 1st 2nd or third generation, knowing my luck it'll probably give me another 20 yds, and at £140+ it'll be a dear 20 yds, at least Carl will tell me exactly what I can expect to get distance wise, I bought my ATN 2 years ago for £ 325 but I've noticed that there's been a helluva price rise, hope this helps somewhat....callie
 
@Callie - I agree the inbuilt ones are not that....er....useful, the additional's are. I have this one - Cobra Optics 75mW IR Illuminator for DSA and EX DSA at Uttings.co.uk - and it is good for 200yds easily. The beauty is that you can focus the beam to quite a tight spot. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.

@Finnbear - just tugging a forelock to one of the more senior members of the forum, acknowledging at the same time my relative lack of experience in these things in comparison! :tiphat: Perhaps you can give some tips on lamp shy creatures and how we can be a little less heavy handed with a lamp in the future. I suspect I have overlamped my ground - and when getting back into it forgot the rule of only lamping where you can shoot (rather than scanning too far ahead).

@Robbobsam - I completely understand where you are coming from on lamp shy - it's why I went the NV route. It adds another dimension and in my case has been an excellent investment, without dedicating a rifle to it. Offer to test still open.
 
I have used quite a few of these n/v scopes from russian military to jap digital. The digital need to be x4+ mag , so you need a doubler & all n/v need an extra ir unit, the bigger the better. Dont expect much change from £150 for the added ir, & £100+ double mag lense. With a nvrsf @ £400 you will see & punish the bad to 100/120 yds with clarity. Pulsar 550 with yukon ir was the best set up i used. A lot of ££££'s for spanking fox IMO ! Have a look at budget vomz pns 4.6x52 russian n/v they are heavy at a 2.2lb, but with yukon ir, totals approx £400 & that takes some beating , to 80yds+ depending on target size. personally i stick to a cluson :) PS .if you get merican n/v ATN or simlar go +1 gen higher, as there std is much lower than ours. ;)
 
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One of the best nv sight I have seen in action is the one shoot has on here a military spec kite maxi gen 3 . I have been searching for one for months, being a military item these are very hard to find and cost a small fortune.

I know of a Kite for sale i had a look thru it last night and it as a very clear good gen3 tube
 
I was at a night vision meet last nite, and managed to have a look thru quite a few different gen2/gen3 scopes! As mentioned that kite is optically good, with a laser fitted even better!! But what really did catch my eye was a gen3 longbow! It is a day/night scope, very light weight as it just a normal scope in size and fit! Optically stunning but then again at £6k you would expect it to be lol. The guy who owns it has offered to take me out just to see how good it is! Ill let you know, should be early nxt week:)
atb James
 
better off with a lamp and a dimmer switch on it , put my bags up no end ,a old rabbiter bloke told me a few yrs ago that i should put a dimmer switch on my lamp if i wanted my bags to go up and not to frighten foxes ,never listened until last year, he was right what a diffence if i see him again i will buy him a few pints well worth it, atvb steve
 
Just to join the foray and laugh at the old fuddie duddies and their lamps... ( That should upset a few :D) Ive been lamping with an air rifle, not quite the same as you fellas with your big guns I have to admit and got fed up trying to get closer ( five hours and 2 rabbits. First person to mention fieldcraft gets a slap...... Unless they are bigger then me. :suss: So I dug out my old gen 1 add on. Attached to the right scope and with the addition of a decent illuminator (£150 ish) You will be able to see long distances. I was looking out my back door last night counting the bricks on a house that was about 150 yards away. Scope was set at 12 mag.
Advanages are no wires to become disconnected when you climb over gates. pull the nv off and use as normal during the day. I have my .22 set up for NV. So the scope is set forward and the hold is comfortable, but it is still back far enough for me to be able to use it as a day scope. It is a bit of a compromise. But I am comfortable with it. There is nothing worse than having to lean your head backwards and holding the rifle. Bloody uncomfortable.
Disadvantages.................Cost. The unit and and decent illuminator. Also in your case you are shooting a 243. Certain NV will not handle the shock as they are fragile. (From conversations with people in the trade and reading the forums you need to be very careful, bit of a minefield) And the other cost implication, you can go, wow, I really like this, lets buy another.
I have gen 1 and Digi add on. I haven't got lots of experience with them on anything above air rifle but the theory is the same. To quote somebody else. Switch on and the magic green kingdom opens up before us.
I have been having a few conversations with Starlight over the last day or so. I like to ask lots of questions. (Read my signature, it's true). My main question was, will it be ok with my 243. Shock and rearrangement of facial features due to recoil. He assured me it would be fine. Many of the others are not suitable for centrefire.
I don't have a starlight, I just quote him cos he is one I have spoke to.

I love NV. You can sit in a shed foxing without the neighbours being disturbed behind you seeing a lamp shining back and forth. Stealth. Lamp shy foxes can be a bit easier. I get enough exercise cycling to work ta muchly. I can stalk up to a bunny and pop him off and his mates haven't got a clue what happened! Although they learn, hear the thud of the bullet hitting and dissappear or they might be next.
NV and lamping are right up there with the "which is better, 17 or 22". Everybody has an opinion and it is wrong because it is not mine. :)

Is it expensive, yes it can be, How much did you spend on your scope. Talk to people on here and they spend stupid money on a Swaro. If I could afford it I would too.
If you really want to shoot your 243, then you have 2 NV options. use a smaller bullet. 50 grain? to reduce recoil. Sorry my experience doesn't go this far, somebody else will have to step in here, or spend the money on an NV unit with suitable eye relief and capable of handling the recoil. And lastly, worst case scenario, if it was to get broken, could it be fixed and how? That is to my mind another very importand question that needs serious digging into. Specialy if you are spending loads of wonga.
Failing that, go lamping, it is also lots of fun.
Right then, I need a drink, I'm not used to typing so much.

Declan
Knows nothing much but is learning lots about nothing really quickly.
 
Oh and to answer your question... Have a look at the Starlight Archer.
It is quite interesting. The cheapest one should be suitable for your needs.
I am having a good chew over it. I need to spend some time with my rifles getting to know them better then I will be having a seriously good look at one.
 
I saw an advert in Canada for an NV unit add on that sat infront not behind the scope. It came with an eye peice/cup to add to the scope to block out the illumination. buggered if I can find it on t'internet but it made more sense than the eye mounted ones for design.
 
Starlight Archer is the best ive seen ,we have a couple for use on boar
and foxing ,really good on the right scope ,we can see mice clearly at
our feeders while waiting on boar ,from 100m
 
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