Hgv tacho question

[hairlesshunter]

Hi all the question is if I start work and put my card in at 7am do my 15 minute check then maybe load and set off .
have my first 15 minute break at 10am at 12.59 I have only driven for 3 hours and 30 minutes questio is
do I have to stop and have my 30 minutes or can I drive another 59 minutes and then have my 30 minutes
cheers all

 

[User00044]

Working time dictates , 15 minutes before 6 hours and a further 15 minutes after 6 hours of work . If Working time exceeds 9 hours you will require a further 15 minutes so 45 minutes in total . You can take your Working time brakes in any multiples of 15 minutes providing you don't work more than 6 hours without a break . I'm sure you know this . Breaks cannot be taken at the end of day .

You have fulfilled your requirement to take your first 15 minute break which will allow you another 6 hours of work , work being defined as "other work and driving " , by which time you will need to take another 15 to satisfy WTD .

You can actually drive the full hour up to 4 hours and 30 minutes, at that point you MUST take your remaining tacho' break . A single minute of work or POA and you'll get an infringement .

Tacho laws take precedence .

Most of the new digital tachographs show when you are due a break in relation to WT , if you have a display on the dash you'll see a difference to the tachograph if you require a WT break before a tacho' break as the dash usually displays driving time .


Hope that makes sense .

 

[hairlesshunter]

thankyou fox tails for your reply as you have put in you reply is how I interpret it
but if I do have 15 minutes at say 10am after starting at 7am and only do 3 hours and 30 minutes driving on 5 hours and 45 minutes the tacho flashs up and if I carry on driving over the 6 hours it says I have gone over . But drive for 45 more minutes and then have my 30 minutes I don’t get an infringement
but a lad at work who tells me he doing the same as me is getting infringements so l am a little confused

 

[User00044]

No problem

 

[Ronin]

Start at 7 am

Working time directive - you can work 6 hours and then require a 15 min break

So uou would need a break at 12:59 for fifteen mins (better to take 20)

Even if you do no driving but are working

Howver - you take a 15 min break at 10 am so the six hour w t d starts again at 10:16 hrs

Again if you do no driving you would need another break six hours later


You have . However driven 3:30 so take 15 mins break

You would need a 30 min break if you drove another hour to adhere to tachometer regs and clean your 45 min break after 4.5 hrs driving Rule

You can then drive another 4.5 hrs without a break providing you do not exceed 6 hrs working total combined since your last break

It pays to have a timer on your phone that gives you count down for both WTD and drivers hours as it can get confusing

Trust me - after returning to the industry after a 27 year break it’s quite daunting with having to comply with tacho rules and speed limits ,,,,, as previous employers at that time wanted trailers getting “to the boat”

The industry has changed immensely for the better and is a world away from what it was

Modern trucks almost drive themselves

 

[User00044]

Start at 7 am

Working time directive - you can work 6 hours and then require a 15 min break

So uou would need a break at 12:59 for fifteen mins (better to take 20)

Even if you do no driving but are working

Howver - you take a 15 min break at 10 am so the six hour w t d starts again at 10:16 hrs

Again if you do no driving you would need another break six hours later


You have . However driven 3:30 so take 15 mins break

You would need a 30 min break if you drove another hour to adhere to tachometer regs and clean your 45 min break after 4.5 hrs driving Rule

You can then drive another 4.5 hrs without a break providing you do not exceed 6 hrs working total combined since your last break

It pays to have a timer on your phone that gives you count down for both WTD and drivers hours as it can get confusing

Trust me - after returning to the industry after a 27 year break it’s quite daunting with having to comply with tacho rules and speed limits ,,,,, as previous employers at that time wanted trailers getting “to the boat”

The industry has changed immensely for the better and is a world away from what it was

Modern trucks almost drive themselves

Not quite, you must take a 15 minute before the 6 hour mark and you must take a further 15 after 6 hours of work, regardless .

 

[hairlesshunter]

Not quite, you must take a 15 minute before the 6 hour mark and you must take a further 15 after 6 hours of work, regardless .

So me thinking because I take 30 minutes after the six hour wtd to adhere to the driving time Iam ok

 

[Fadcode]

In the scenario you explained, you would have exceeded your permitted driving time.
you would have started driving at 07.15 and taken a 15 minute break at 10.00 meaning you have driven for 2.45 hrs
you started driving again at 10.15 and intended to stop at 12.59 for your 30 minute break driving time 2.44 hours.
this means you have exceeded your driving time limit of 4.5 hours before having a 45 minute break.

 

[Ronin]

You need to take the WTD break before you hit 6 hrs as you cannot guarantee that the tacho will read six hours as that or 6 hrs and one minute which will give you an infringement

 

[Ronin]

Fad code - I read the initial post as stating “ I’ve driven 3hrs 30 min” rather than working out the time starting to break

 

[Fadcode]

It was a bit unclear whether he was driving or not, after the initial 15 minute vehicle check, he says he may load or drive off, so the question is a bit hypothetical, did he load up or did he drive away, a lot would also depend on how he logged the non driving time on the tacho,
in regard to WTD the fact a 15 minute break was taken at 10.00am, another break would not be required until 16,00 hrs. So if his duty was a mixture of driving and other work, then he could drive the extra hour before needing to take the second driving break of 30 minutes.

 

[Fadcode]

Makes a bit of a mockery of the CPC Drivers have to take.

 

[User00044]

So me thinking because I take 30 minutes after the six hour wtd to adhere to the driving time Iam ok

Almost , the wording in the books can be a little ambiguous. You can take working time breaks in multiples of 15 minutes. You must have a break before the 6 hour mark though. Were as a tacho break can only be split as 15 minutes followed by a 30minute break , which will restart the driving period.

My original explanation is correct.

 

[hairlesshunter]

Hi all the time is made up of other work driving other work rest other work and driving and so on hope this isn’t confusing lol

 

[User00044]

Hi all the time is made up of other work driving other work rest other work and driving and so on hope this isn’t confusing lol

Seemed obvious to me .

 

[hairlesshunter]

Seemed obvious to me .

Lol so you original post is the one to go by

 

[User00044]

It was a bit unclear whether he was driving or not, after the initial 15 minute vehicle check, he says he may load or drive off, so the question is a bit hypothetical, did he load up or did he drive away, a lot would also depend on how he logged the non driving time on the tacho,
in regard to WTD the fact a 15 minute break was taken at 10.00am, another break would not be required until 16,00 hrs. So if his duty was a mixture of driving and other work, then he could drive the extra hour before needing to take the second driving break of 30 minutes.

This is incorrect, a further 15 is required if working time exceeds 6 hours but is less than 9 hours and should be taken before reaching 9 hours of working time . After 9 hours of work a further 15 minutes will be required .

Lol so you original post is the one to go by

Yes

 

[Fadcode]

This is incorrect, a further 15 is required if working time exceeds 6 hours but is less than 9 hours and should be taken before reaching 9 hours of working time . After 9 hours of work a further 15 minutes will be required .



Yes

So as he would have to take a 30 minute break before 2 pm, he would not only comply with the driving hours regulations, but also comply with the WTD regulations. At 2pm he would have only been on duty for 7 hours, and has already had a 15 minute break before he had reached the 6 hours on duty.

 

[Heym SR20]

Don’t worry, Liz Truss will soon remove all these regulations so it will be perfectly possible for bosses to insist their drivers to drive 18 hours straight without a break. Have a few hours kipp and do the same again the next and the next.

 

[Fadcode]

Jest you not, I have already seen Jacob Rees-Mogg say he doesn't think people should be paid when on holiday, Grant Shapps wants to allow all drivers to be able drive HGV's, so unless you are a big tax dodging corporation there is very little hope.