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spanj said:
A fascinating, factual read. I’d urge everybody to read this and then think about apathy, acceptance of ever tighter gun control and how, as responsible and safe (emphasis on both) gun owners we can challenge the current perception of us. What do you think @Conor O'Gorman ?
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Bloody good reading isn't it @spanj. It took me a couple of bites to get through it, and I think I'll go over bits again.

Somewhere it is written that the meek shall inherit the Earth... after reading "The Slippery Slope" I think the meek aint gonna inherit shite :-|
 
spanj said:
A fascinating, factual read. I’d urge everybody to read this and then think about apathy, acceptance of ever tighter gun control and how, as responsible and safe (emphasis on both) gun owners we can challenge the current perception of us. What do you think @Conor O'Gorman ?
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We should not let our apathy be the opposition’s best weapon. In Wales there is currently an attempt to take away shooting rights by an anti-shooting Welsh government. Anyone anywhere can have their say by clicking here

With the Home Office soon to announce a consultation on firearms licensing following the coroner’s inquest on the Keyham shootings, that will be another opportunity for certificate holders to make a difference and have their say.

Why the 'Keyham Test' is so important for the future of shooting

With the Home Office shortly expected to deliver a statement on firearms licensing, BASC has devised the so-called ‘Keyham Test’.
basc.org.uk basc.org.uk
 
Conor O'Gorman said:
We should not let our apathy be the opposition’s best weapon. In Wales there is currently an attempt to take away shooting rights by an anti-shooting Welsh government. Anyone anywhere can have their say by clicking here

With the Home Office soon to announce a consultation on firearms licensing following the coroner’s inquest on the Keyham shootings, that will be another opportunity for certificate holders to make a difference and have their say.

Why the 'Keyham Test' is so important for the future of shooting

With the Home Office shortly expected to deliver a statement on firearms licensing, BASC has devised the so-called ‘Keyham Test’.
basc.org.uk basc.org.uk
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Why are the Home Office not also then about to announce a consultation on policing following the coroner’s inquest on Keyham? they fxxxxd up not us.

Cannot think of anything where what we say makes a difference, but please correct me.
 
Liveonce said:
Why are the Home Office not also then about to announce a consultation on policing following the coroner’s inquest on Keyham? they fxxxxd up not us.

Cannot think of anything where what we say makes a difference, but please correct me.
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I completely agree. I always fill these consultations in but the reality appears that they make little difference to the decisions being made.
 
Liveonce said:
Why are the Home Office not also then about to announce a consultation on policing following the coroner’s inquest on Keyham? they fxxxxd up not us.

Cannot think of anything where what we say makes a difference, but please correct me.
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Why do the hard work in changing the actual cause when you can bash the low hanging fruit of legal firearms owners for tabloid optics?
 
Vulpes said:
I completely agree. I always fill these consultations in but the reality appears that they make little difference to the decisions being made.
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Me too , but I always get the sneaky suspicion that the 'decision' has already been made , and the HO/Government is just going through the motions, in an effort to show democratic process has been followed.
Smoke and mirrors as usual.

Looking at the behaviour of firearms licencing in the last year or so , they have decided sec 2 is gone, and all it benefits.
While they are rewriting the firearms act , expect some other changes, very few of them , if any , beneficial to us.
Lets hope the 'fighting fund' has plenty in the tank :-|
 
Liveonce said:
Why are the Home Office not also then about to announce a consultation on policing following the coroner’s inquest on Keyham? they fxxxxd up not us.

Cannot think of anything where what we say makes a difference, but please correct me.
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We can all make a difference with the Wales consultation - have you responded to it? We all made a difference with just 2000 responses to last year's lead ammunition ban proposals - did you respond to that consultation?
 
Conor O'Gorman said:
We can all make a difference with the Wales consultation - have you responded to it? We all made a difference with just 2000 responses to last year's lead ammunition ban proposals - did you respond to that consultation?
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Yes i have completed the wales consultation following BASC advice.

As for the lead ammunition response, as i understand it all that we achieved was that the HSE deferred their proposal by six months, rather than we have changed what they were going to propose.

Unless you know different?

2000 responses was a very poor given the number of SGC and FAC holders plus unlicensed airgun users.
 
Liveonce said:
The benefits are regarding safety, not what we actually shoot.

Once you move away from the idea that tax payers contribute to cost of issuing certificates introduced by the government of the day for the benefit of society and move to full cost recovery then where do you draw the line, is the cost based on the worst most inefficient force and what incentive to improve efficiency and system. i.e, remove sound mods from certificates. Then think of the work they do that is not paid for by us, like free back powder acquire and keep certificates, clay club section 11, investigation into miss use of firearms by owners etc.

it’s a privilege to own a vehicle driving licence or a fishing license so I do not see where that comes into it.

so £300, £500, £1000, £1500 what is your pain threshold
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What would you pay if it’s annually £60.00 = £300 every 5 years no big shakes, irrespective whether you use your tickets for work or hobby, the procedures are the same, reasonable cost should = reasonable service

things ain’t cheap anymore
 
Overlay said:
What would you pay if it’s annually £60.00 = £300 every 5 years no big shakes, irrespective whether you use your tickets for work or hobby, the procedures are the same, reasonable cost should = reasonable service

things ain’t cheap anymore
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You are missing the point. Forget 300. What if it were 5000. It’s only 20 per week but you won’t be able pay it that way ! Think I’m overegging it…..?
 
Liveonce said:
Yes i have completed the wales consultation following BASC advice.

As for the lead ammunition response, as i understand it all that we achieved was that the HSE deferred their proposal by six months, rather than we have changed what they were going to propose.

Unless you know different?

2000 responses was a very poor given the number of SGC and FAC holders plus unlicensed airgun users.
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Is perhaps that not the point though? (only) 2,000 people managed to slow that lead ban proposal process down by (only) 6 months. Imagine if many thousands more of us had got involved - or even tens of thousands of us - what if all the people posting ad nauseum about imaginary lead bans on this and countless other forums for years had taken a time out and submitted their own ammo test results to the HSE in the face of proposals for a very real lead ban? What if all businesses impacted had submitted evidence? Maybe that 6 months delay could have become years, maybe the proposals could have been dropped in the face of such evidence and opposition? Who knows...well we will never know. However, there is another chance in July when the next consultation on the HSE lead ban proposal launches.

Or let's look at the other end of the spectrum. 46 people wrote to West Mercia PCC to complain about the long firearms licensing processing times for their certificates and as a result the PCC allocated £200,000 to the licensing team to address the backlog and waiting times. Only 46 people...but that's perhaps a lot more people than those that have politically engaged so far in each of the other PCC constituencies.

So, yes, numbers can make a difference and perhaps we could encourage rather than discourage SD members to get involved in these consultations and in political lobbying.

Back to Wales - thanks for having your say on proposals that would shut down game shooting there - less than 100 on SD have confirmed doing so after 6 weeks of awareness raising. I guess thousands of SD members post here daily - and we know some spend their spare time constantly (obsessively) moaning about shooting organisations, including in this thread. Yet last weekend at the Northern Shooting Show one thousand people completed the survey.

It would be wonderful if you and others reading this could contact all your friends and family to complete the Wales survey? If 10 did so and passed it on to 10 more - who knows where that might take us?

basc.org.uk

Act now - BASC

Game shooting in Wales under attack. The Welsh government have launched proposals to ban gamebird releasing in Wales.
basc.org.uk basc.org.uk
 
ye ok
i will agree with you

but

there is no unity amongst different disciplines of using firearms, we are a disgrace - I say we because we are all tarred with the same brush in what we do with countless discrepancies like the one on here this week re dumping of foxes it’s not surprising we will write our own debacle

Then there is the dear old government who take notice of who will either keep them in or vote them in power, they care not a jot about shooting but the way we as firearm users in some quarters behave is beyond believe and joe public is told, shown or even finds evidence that we are crap and worse the government when faced with a get rid or your lose power WILL act against shooting people - to be honest we still lay ourselves open for condemnation by a majority who has never been on a field or even involved with field sports, in some areas venison cannot be sold to a end consumer because it started off as a bad shot and goes down hill from there on them some moan about british game dealers sourcing venison abroad - all of a sudden fuel trail doesn’t come into it

lncrease of licence renewals /applications is a minute sliver on consequence to further wildlife licensing and control
There will or never be a better time to consolidate and make sure everyone and the government hears the voice of sportsman
unfortunately the writings on the wall big time - spoiled by a few

only my thoughts :tiphat: on shooting loss and changes looming over us
 
finnbear270 said:
"Any idea how quickly the cost of running a flo could be ramped up ?" Yes!, put some bloody staff on!:mad:
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They can do it when they have to. I speak from very recent personal experience.

It’d be interesting to know the trend ie number of staff v licence holders in each force area over the last 5 years.
 
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