Howa sloppy bolt

[8x57]

I believe that the sloppy bolt of the Parker-Hale was specifically designed in that way to cope better with dusty / sandy environments. Finer tolerances would soon be buggered up by grit in the mechanism.

Not by Parker Hale it wasn't because they simply used either off the peg ex-military or commercial Santa Barbara K98 actions. However when Paul Mauser was designing the K98 as a battle rifle he obviously designed it to function under adverse conditions and that it does very well even if the bolt does seem a bit sloppy when out of battery.

 

[kennyc]

Asinine? I don’t think so. It was simply a demonstration of someone who actually states a smooth bolt helps his shooting - and he happens to be a renowned shot with a rifle. But whatever floats your boat buddy.

still pretty irrelevant to the conversation though, it was just introduced to support your personal predjudices

 

[gixer1]

still pretty irrelevant to the conversation though, it was just introduced to support your personal predjudices

Nah...it wasn’t...and I’m not prejudice at all, I owned howa’s....but I’m not trying to say they are the best thing out there in rifles.

 

[gixer1]

I believe that the sloppy bolt of the Parker-Hale was specifically designed in that way to cope better with dusty / sandy environments. Finer tolerances would soon be buggered up by grit in the mechanism.

From an engineering perspective there are two trains of thought - sloppy tolerances let more debris in vs a tighter tolerance helping prevent debris getting in.

 

[kennyc]

Nah...it wasn’t...and I’m not prejudice at all, I owned howa’s....but I’m not trying to say they are the best thing out there in rifles.

no one has suggest it, except you

 

[kennyc]

From an engineering perspective there are two trains of thought - sloppy tolerances let more debris in vs a tighter tolerance helping prevent debris getting in.

thats one train of thought

 

[kennyc]

From an engineering perspective there are two trains of thought - sloppy tolerances let more debris in vs a tighter tolerance helping prevent debris getting in.

thats one train of thought

 

[gixer1]

thats one train of thought

So that pretty much demonstrates what I said then...

 

[John Gryphon]

I believe that the sloppy bolt of the Parker-Hale was specifically designed in that way to cope better with dusty / sandy environments. Finer tolerances would soon be buggered up by grit in the mechanism.

Paul Mausers `98 design is still carried through to the actions currently made today....now only if I could afford a few of them.

 

[Erik Hamburger]

sloppy | Origin and meaning of sloppy by Online Etymology Dictionary

The new word I learned was 'in battery' - I wasn't asking what 'sloppy' was, I know that - my wife keeps telling me I am a slop - she is ever so kind!

 

[kennyc]

So that pretty much demonstrates what I said then...

still has no relevence to the discussion as to whether Howas work or not

 

[gixer1]

still has no relevence to the discussion as to whether Howas work or not

Who said they wouldn’t work?

 

[kennyc]

Who said they wouldn’t work?

I believe you implied they wouldn't work for you

 

[gixer1]

I believe you implied they wouldn't work for you

Nope...no I didn’t...

 

[kennyc]

Nope...no I didn’t...

ah! my mistake, so you would be happy to use one then ?

 

[gixer1]

ah! my mistake, so you would be happy to use one then ?

Not my cup of tea thanks....I’ve had one....they work fine...but a 1” brush will paint a wall too, not as well as other items will complete the job.

 

[harrygrey382]

If you watch franz’ videos he himself has said one of the factors is a smooth, slick bolt. He has been associated with a few different brands and all have been know to have “slick” bolts or straight pull as well.

my point on the Camry is - all of the rifles I mentioned could be known as good enough workhorses with very little in the way of flair or standout properties, but I get what you mean about the metaphor of the how’s being Japanese, accurate enough, reliable and affordable, but my point being most of the rifles mentioned tick exactly the same box.

having owned a Howa the bolt slop when it’s at full travel can mean that there is a catch point or a point of higher resistance. Not a huge deal but it’s there and it’s not something you usually find on a mannlicher, Krag, Sauer, Merkel.

regards,
Gixer

My point was - you can have a slick AND sloppy bolt, like a lot of Mausers and Lee Enfields. Having a catch points is not ideal and is not mutually exclusive with a sloppy bolt, but rather a less-well-finished bolt and/or receiver, which I would expect with a fresh from the box howa

 

[gixer1]

My point was - you can have a slick AND sloppy bolt, like a lot of Mausers and Lee Enfields. Having a catch points is not ideal and is not mutually exclusive with a sloppy bolt, but rather a less-well-finished bolt and/or receiver, which I would expect with a fresh from the box howa

Yeah, my howa wasn’t fresh from the box...but I see what you are getting at.

regards,
Gixer

 

[whitehackle]

Howa rifles are brilliant basic rifles, that do the basics as well as any rifle.
If I was to buy another rifle, it would be a howa, and the customise it to exactly what I want. I have done this with my .223. Then you have a rifle, that has not cost any more than a mid range rifle. But it is not a "off the shelf" rifle, and if you have done it right, it should be more suitable to you than a mid range rifle.