Humane dispatch pistol

[Webley]

Might as well carry a 12" barrelled boat paddle stock ruger 10/22. My one isn't much more that 600mm long!

If it is one of the integrally suppressed 10/22 versions, that is true. Having the moderator included in the 600mm is the only length advantage you can "gain". Oceana defence did a take down, integrally suppressed 10/22 which would also be a good option as well.

 

[Rake Aboot]

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/636a6dbf8fa8f5358665f4b9/Firearms_guide_November_2022.pdf#page96

Sections 12.38 and 12.39
I’m not saying it is impossible to get a semi auto or a moderator but it will be very difficult.

Pretty stupid guidelines really

Don’t issue a sound moderator for discharging a firearm !
Health and safety guidelines would recommend a sound moderator for every firearm lol
Also, issue a pistol but make it modified using a heat treatment on the pressure bearing parts !
And lastly, give them a pistol but don’t trust them to load any more than two rounds at a time

Utter balls. Almost as stupid as UK knife laws

I’d not seen that part of the guidelines before , or had forgotten it haha.

 

[Selous]

I have shot a fair few large horse and bullocks up to around 30 month old with my .32 with no issues, one shot and they down and out, my local horse vet has a .22 that he is shooting horse with regularly without issue. Obviously all these are close quarters shooting with the correct bullet placement. Wild deer at 5 yds would be a different senario

I too have shot many animals in a HD situation with 22, .32 and .310 and when it goes right it is as you describe they are ok but I have had to shoot several animals multiple times with the .32 at contact distance. We can all only speak from our own experiences but I know of other vets who have had similar experiences with .32 humane killers, hence my views

 

[Selous]

Pretty stupid guidelines really

Don’t issue a sound moderator for discharging a firearm !
Health and safety guidelines would recommend a sound moderator for every firearm lol
Also, issue a pistol but make it modified using a heat treatment on the pressure bearing parts !
And lastly, give them a pistol but don’t trust them to load any more than two rounds at a time

Utter balls. Almost as stupid as UK knife laws

I’d not seen that part of the guidelines before , or had forgotten it haha.

I completely agree with you

 

[Bowland blades]

Semi auto is prohibited under the HO guidelines?

Do you have a link to that please ?

Yeah lots of things are prohibited but then you can have them granted . A bit like the old expanding ammo thing right !

 

[75]

I too have shot many animals in a HD situation with 22, .32 and .310 and when it goes right it is as you describe they are ok but I have had to shoot several animals multiple times with the .32 at contact distance. We can all only speak from our own experiences but I know of other vets who have had similar experiences with .32 humane killers, hence my views

Interesting - thank you. We only have .22rf pistol, .32ACP pistol and .410 shot pistol available for HD (through local kennels who I do some work for). I did a horse with the .32 yesterday with your words ringing in my ears! All fine but I might reach for the .410 more in future.

 

[spanj]

Why is it a shame?

Some people have genuine reason and a need, others like the chap on here a while back who wanted a semi auto pistol for despatching deer he’d not quite managed to kill with his deer rifle, just want a pistol……

People who have pistols are often very keen to show them off at every opportunity!

Each to their own eh fella

 

[Saracen666]

I suspect that many who seem dead against pistol ownership obviously don’t shoot enough to have had a need for one , but the guidelines are clear and as far as I’m concerned, owning a pistol for dispatch should be a health and safety issue akin to the reasons we used to justify moderators in the old days.

Unfortunately the police make up the rules to suit themselves and deny at every opportunity, whether justified or not

To add to this thread , modifying a revolver like this should be illegal as in my mind it’s dangerous and weakens the gun.

I'm a welder by trade, and yes, it will. The heat affected zone of the weld creates microscopic cracks.

 

[User00057]

It’s actually very difficult to hit deer or indeed any other animal with a rifle fitted with optics from say 2-20m, even a shotgun can be quite tricky in very close situation. If you can’t almost touch it with the barrel of a rifle, or get atleast 20m or so away, a handgun is a far superior weapon.

And you think you are going to be hitting MOA groups with a handgun . Have you seen the length of a barrel on a Handgun. Talk sense mate.

 

[Saracen666]

And you think you are going to be hitting MOA groups with a handgun . Have you seen the length of a barrel on a Handgun. Talk sense mate.

Yes, 20 metres in the head or neck, possibly in low light, and possibly moving, at 20 metres is extremely difficult with a handgun.
Shooting at the same size target, in ideal conditions on a range, doesn't parallel your results to HD.
Why couldn't you get closer than 20 meters?

 

[User00057]

Yes, 20 metres in the head or neck, possibly in low light, and possibly moving, at 20 metres is extremely difficult with a handgun.
Shooting at the same size target, in ideal conditions on a range, doesn't parallel your results to HD.
Why couldn't you get closer than 20 meters?

I agree. It’s a close up job regardless

 

[jthyttin]

Why couldn't you get closer than 20 meters?

If you have seen the wounded beast is mobile, or suspect it to be, it's much better to keep as much distance as possible (regarding your chosen gun and ability to safely use it). Assuming here the beast is stationary at the time, since you're never going to win a running match with wild beast (i.e. no use trying to get closer if the beast already IS mobile)

 

[User00057]

If you have seen the wounded beast is mobile, or suspect it to be, it's much better to keep as much distance as possible (regarding your chosen gun and ability to safely use it). Assuming here the beast is stationary at the time, since you're never going to win a running match with wild beast (i.e. no use trying to get closer if the beast already IS mobile)

Again why a rifle is a better option.

 

[jthyttin]

Horses for courses.

 

[Triggermortis]

To anyone that questions the needfor a HD pistol I would ask have you ever tried using a rifle in a pig arc,stable,stock trailer or any confined space come to that ?

 

[Saracen666]

To anyone that questions the needfor a HD pistol I would ask have you ever tried using a rifle in a pig arc,stable,stock trailer or any confined space come to that ?

In any enclosed space, close , or with a less suitable backstop ( no, I'm not saying take unsafe *****), use a pistol.

 

[VSS]

To anyone that questions the needfor a HD pistol I would ask have you ever tried using a rifle in a pig arc,stable,stock trailer or any confined space come to that ?

No, but I've used a shotgun under those circumstances many, many times and found it perfect for the job. Never felt that the situation would be improved upon by the use of a pistol.

 

[Saracen666]

No, but I've used a shotgun under those circumstances many, many times and found it perfect for the job. Never felt that the situation would be improved upon by the use of a pistol.

I can understand that, but depending on the type of rifle / shotgun you're carrying, having a handgun is always a good option.
Say you've been asked to dispatch a cow, a sheep, or a sheep worrying dog, or if your in cover etc, any one of those situations means the options change.
Out with your rifle, farmer wants a cow dispatched? Well, yiu couldn't legally do that with most FAC conditions.

 

[Acm]

No, but I've used a shotgun under those circumstances many, many times and found it perfect for the job. Never felt that the situation would be improved upon by the use of a pistol.

And you think you are going to be hitting MOA groups with a handgun . Have you seen the length of a barrel on a Handgun. Talk sense mate.

I think I am talking sense, I’ve shot about 30 animals the last year with my hd pistol and yes I have seen the length of the barrel. It’s just under 2 inches. The idea is you’re using it at point blank range.

Have used a shotgun before I had a hd, fine if you don’t mind painting the walls of whatever the animal is housed in with small pieces of bone blood and mush. I’ll take a single .22 either by rifle or pistol any day, .38 for bigger beasts.

 

[doric_prince]

I use a short barrel rim fire rifle for sheep dispatch, do about 3 a year at home. Aiming down the side of the barrel isn’t ideal with a moderate on the end but it works for me. I can see something with iron sights and more compact as being helpful.