In which the Pine Marten picks on Asiatic deer species.

Part 1: Chinese water deer

After eight months of anticipation, during which quite a lot of important things happened, I have a Chinese water deer in my sights, and they’re weaving all over the place. Thirty seconds before, I had been chatting with Sikamalc, having set forth from the B&B five minutes earlier, we’d just turned the corner of a field near a large haystack, when he stopped and urgently whispered “There! Use the haystack!”. It was like being awoken suddenly, I hadn’t really mentally started stalking yet, but I put up my rifle, put the deer about 100 metres away in the crosshairs. Unfortunately the sudden adrenaline rush meant that my reticule was doing figures-of-eight all over the deer’s body. I couldn’t stabilise it, and I didn’t want to risk injuring it, and then it moved off, so I stood down. This turned out to be a mistake, because it only sauntered off a few metres. “It’s stopped again” says Malc. What? But I haven’t come down from the previous excitement yet! OK, back up on the haystack. This time I try to control my breathing, it’s better than last time, I hold the crosshairs on the chest, squeeze the trigger, squeeze, squeeze, and the deer’s off again, before I had time to squeeze hard enough to let the shot off. Perhaps a case of exercising a little too much trigger control there. All of that took about a minute and a half. “You’re going to have to be faster than that, mate. That could be your chance for the morning”. Yes, I know, damn it. Now in my mind I’m falling back on my usual silver linings: I’ve seen my first Chinese water deer. I didn’t risk wounding it. And then I think that it’s not even 8am, the sun’s very low in the sky, and we haven’t finished yet.

We move off to another area. At the crest of a hill we stop to glass the area to the right. After a few minutes, from about a kilometre away, we (I mean Malc of course, but I’m going to say “we” for stylistic purposes) spot four deer grazing on a field near the end a hedge that stops halfway through it. They’re just under the top of a ridge, presumably a little sheltered from the wind, so we head off around the area to arrive downwind of them, with a possible hidden approach path. This is different from before, there are no surprises here. We know exactly where the deer are, that they’re out in the open with little cover, and that we will stick out like sore thumbs if we peep over a ridge. We walk to the edge of the first field, stop to glass, but can’t see them. We can see the hedge though, on the other side of which they should be. They probably can’t see us, so he move, increasingly stooped, across the next field until we enter a shallow dip. Now we can’t see them, we think they’re over the crest of the ridge, through the hedge, but we don’t know, so we’re low, slow, quiet. My pulse is racing now, but it’s not panic like before. This is just alertness, concentrating on not ruining this opportunity. Near the end of the gully, we can just peep over the ridge to glass the next field. There’s one deer a long way off, in a totally different place, and we think they’ve moved since we first saw them. We move up the slope towards the hedge, and suddenly we’re proved wrong: there they are, still grazing peacefully, through the hedge, down the other side of the slope. We pull back, back up the gully, meaning to approach them upslope from our side of the hedge. At this point, Malc says “I’ll leave you to it”. I’ve never done this before, but I’m not particularly worried about my ability to move stealthily. So off I go, slower and slower, lower and lower, keeping below the skyline. I can glimpse the deer as they move in and out of holes in the hedge. Then I’m on all fours. Just before the ditch in front of the hedge, I bring my binoculars up, but I realise that I can’t tell whether these are bucks or does, and that my selection criterion now is whether I can find a clear line of sight through the hedge. So I ditch the binoculars and start to move sideways towards a likely-looking hole in the hedge. There are a couple of twigs across the left-hand hole, but the right-hand one is clear, so the deer in that window is the target. I’m lying on my front, rifle shouldered, I control my breathing, this should be a straightforward shot, perhaps eighty metres away. This time, it’s a relaxed shot from a good rest, so I set the trigger to avoid a repeat of earlier events. Then I just sort of imagine firing and bang! The deer goes down on the spot. I reload, watch for signs of movement through the scope, there are a few twitches. “It’s not going anywhere! You can go and see what you got” says Malc.

The feeling of relief is immense, then pride starts to creep in. It’s last year’s doe, a beautiful little animal. I look around for something to give it a “last bite”, but there’s just nothing around yet in February. Malc gives me a hug, which can’t be part of the usual service. My first Chinese water deer. But with hindsight, that’s not the point: I owe Malc my first real stalk on my own. I have photos, a deer, and I’ll look at the pictures, and eat the deer. But what will remain will be the knowledge that I know I can do this. So Malc, my heartfelt thanks for that, because that's something that I can keep.

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(Part 2 to follow)
 
I heard of your exploits the day before, well done!

I finally finished the butchery process yesterday and the final scores are:

- Two munty haunches (2 x 1.1kg)
- Two munty tenderloins (2 x 400g)
- Two bags of Munty diced stewing bits, mostly neck and shoulder (2 x 700g)
- Two CWD haunches (2 x 1.4kg)
- Two CWD tenderloins (2 x 400g)
- Two bags diced stewing bits (2 x 750g)
- Two bags mixed munty and CWD mince (2 x 800gr)

So I make that 11.1kg of meat, or roughly half the total weight of the animals. Quite a lot of work too.

How small are the true fillets on these wee beasts?? Can't be more than a mouthful each?

K
 
You can hire a car for £20 a day? Including fuel, insurance and mileage? Because I'm pretty sure you can't do that here. Especially as you'd need to go and pick it up the day before to leave early in the morning. It cost me £20 for a the return train ticket to Malc's, plus about £5 on the Tube. That's not bad, really. It's going a it off-topic, but it's true that London public transport is expensive. Nowhere near as expensive as running a car here though, and a lot more efficient in the city, where congestion is permanent and parking impossible or expensive. That's why London is the only part of the UK where car ownership and the number of driving licences are decreasing.
 
K, I had to cook all four together to make a meal for two, and it was a light meal. They are about the size of a Mars bar.
 
PM - thanks for the story.

As regards reliance on public transport, Amir and I have done a fair amount of this over the years.

At one point I was regularly arranging a Europcar rental, taking my rifle on the tube from the city to Heathrow on Friday afternoon (busy!!), taking the courtesy bus to the rental depot outside Heathrow, driving to Wiltshire and kipping briefly before hunting all day saturday and reversing these steps. Oddly enough, coming home on Saturday evening with a groaning rucksack full of venison, blood soiled clothing and an obvious rifle slip on the piccadilly line didn't cause many second glances as most people are either i) not familiar with hunting paraphenalia or ii) respect the time honoured tradition of avoiding eye contact on the tube!

I seem to remember the rental running about £30/35 a day. Can I suggest membership of a car club as an alternative?

Or do as I did and swing in the opposite direction and buy a gas guzzling shooting vehicle and make a different set of sacrifices to accomodate it. This game has a way of taking over your life slowly so that my monthly stalking trips became weekly trips and weekly trips became full weekend trips and now I don't last very many days without getting out of town for a stalk, making for a significant cost saving compared with a weekly rental bill!
 
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You can hire a car for £20 a day? Including fuel, insurance and mileage? Because I'm pretty sure you can't do that here. Especially as you'd need to go and pick it up the day before to leave early in the morning. It cost me £20 for a the return train ticket to Malc's, plus about £5 on the Tube. That's not bad, really. It's going a it off-topic, but it's true that London public transport is expensive. Nowhere near as expensive as running a car here though, and a lot more efficient in the city, where congestion is permanent and parking impossible or expensive. That's why London is the only part of the UK where car ownership and the number of driving licences are decreasing.


PM, when you and I stalked together last summer I hired that little thing for ~£35 for Friday evening to middle of Sunday. That includes insurance and usually about 200 miles a day at least if not unlimited. Fuel is extra whatever you do but even for say ~100miles a little sipper like that you won't spend more than £15.

With a little one matey, I'd have thought runs to the country would be much easier in the car... You know it makes sense. Life skill afterall ;)

Have a look on money travelsupermarket.com I often find they do the best deals (I quite often hire car in getting from airports to fieldsports)

If you need someone to talk you through it and what works, drop me a line. Heck, we meet at an airport for field sports, you can do the driving and I'll be co-pilot to be second set of eyes for ya.

ATB,

Scrummy
 
Thanks for the pointers regarding car hire. Actually, I car share for these things whenever I can, whether it's for stalking or wildfowling. It's only when I'm on my own that I use public transport. Your points are al valid. I forgot to mention that I feel that I've beaten the System when I do this stuff on the train. But I recognise the system's limitations.
 
Oddly enough, coming home on Saturday evening with a groaning rucksack full of venison, blood soiled clothing and an obvious rifle slip on the piccadilly line didn't cause many second glances as most people are either i) not familiar with hunting paraphenalia or ii) respect the time honoured tradition of avoiding eye contact on the tube!

It's true that you have to do something pretty spectacular for people to notice you on the Tube. That said, I don't travel in blood and mud covered clothing, and I keep my shooting irons discretely in the rucksack for shotguns, or in a very plain rectangular slip for the rifle. I have a hard rifle case too that is covered in band and energy drink stickers, which is actually a form of camouflage. It works brilliantly.
 
Pertinent. I had roe haunch in chocolate at the weekend!

Rich meat and chocolate go so well together! One of my favourites is liver (first soaked in milk), onions, garlic, home cured streaky bacon, re-hydrated ceps, sage, thyme, fresh mushrooms (morels amazing), a little currant jelly, chocolate, cream and fresh parsley. Half a bottle of malbec.
 
Great write ups Pine Marten always a joy to read. Its reassuring to see like minded people like you getting into stalking and appreciating the whole experience it brings. Even though I have departed the UK for a little while I was getting a little down trodden by the numbers joining the ranks just to kill and had no appreciation for all of the other aspects. With a modern rifle pulling the trigger is the easy part like you say, try skinning a Munty but my god its worth it. I'm in the planning stages of figuring out how to manage the extraction and butchering of Whitetails as I have just joined a hunting club in northern virginia with 4500 acres.
 
Great write ups Pine Marten always a joy to read. Its reassuring to see like minded people like you getting into stalking and appreciating the whole experience it brings. Even though I have departed the UK for a little while I was getting a little down trodden by the numbers joining the ranks just to kill and had no appreciation for all of the other aspects. With a modern rifle pulling the trigger is the easy part like you say, try skinning a Munty but my god its worth it. I'm in the planning stages of figuring out how to manage the extraction and butchering of Whitetails as I have just joined a hunting club in northern virginia with 4500 acres.

Thanks Jason! You may have recognised the rifle sling too... Good luck with the whitetails logistics. How heavy are they?
 
Thanks my friend john has also made a version of the sling with canvas and leather which is really nice. I'll post a picture at some point plus he's busy making a sheath for my Stuart Mitchell Muntjac knife I treated my self to at Christmas. I would recommend one of Stuarts knives they are as good as Alan Woods or Geoff Hagues (of which I have both) but far more reasonable financially and a little more practical if you choose the Micarta handle. Likewise I am thinking of buying a drilling next as they are a lot cheaper over here I've seen a 1930's L/H OU 16 gauge with 7x57 below for $2500 and I am sure it can be secured for a little less. The only thing which is holding me off at the moment is understanding how regulated it is. Oh and the White tails from what I have seen they can get pretty big but average around Fallow size.
 
I am thinking of buying a drilling next as they are a lot cheaper over here I've seen a 1930's L/H OU 16 gauge with 7x57 below for $2500 and I am sure it can be secured for a little less. The only thing which is holding me off at the moment is understanding how regulated it is.

In case it is of use, I've scanned and attached the chapter of Klups' book that deals with buying a S/H drilling. I hadn't read it before buying mine and count myself very lucky I happened to get a good one.
 
Likewise I am thinking of buying a drilling next as they are a lot cheaper over here I've seen a 1930's L/H OU 16 gauge with 7x57 below for $2500 and I am sure it can be secured for a little less. The only thing which is holding me off at the moment is understanding how regulated it is.

One thing I've learned from the book that Mr Gain has posted an extract from is that you need to pay particular attention to the scope mounts. Replacing them is a very skilled and expensive job. In terms of regulation, they're just a single shot rifle. They're not really designed to be used with slugs in the shotgun barrel converging with the rifled barrel.
 
Rich meat and chocolate go so well together! One of my favourites is liver (first soaked in milk), onions, garlic, home cured streaky bacon, re-hydrated ceps, sage, thyme, fresh mushrooms (morels amazing), a little currant jelly, chocolate, cream and fresh parsley. Half a bottle of malbec.

Personally I prefer chocolate moose.
 
Epilogue: public transport deer extraction.

In the photo below you can see the Pine Marten Public Transport Deer Extraction System (patent pending) during its’ first full test in the field. It consists of a collapsible icebox on a foldable luggage trolley. When not in use, the trolley is packed inside the flattened icebox, which all fits in my rucksack with my other stuff. It took a little fiddling around to balance the box so that it didn’t tip over, but once that was done, ferrying over 20kg of muntjac and CWD discretely was almost a doddle. I mean it’s still quite a lot of effort to drag that, a rifle slip and a rucksack on the train and through the Tube, but it’s not impossible by any means, and no-one noticed or cared. A single roe fits in here too.

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Finally, munties are a huge pain to skin, blunt all the knives and take ages. Subsequently, skinning the CWD was almost a pleasure as their skin comes off like a rabbit’s. It’s a wonder it stays on in the wind in the first place. There’s CWD hair blowing all over my shed and garden now.

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great at write up...I know what you mean about CWD hair, my garage and garden are still covered in it after I shot my two last month.
 
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