Barkingsnake
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Overpriced?
Quality fair (mine's a nightmaster) and delivers a far better picture than the built-in IR illuminator on the N750.
I should guess the visible versions are quite long ranged.
Also check out Clulite...
Infra-red torches creating light visible by target animals
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Overpriced?
Quality fair (mine's a nightmaster) and delivers a far better picture than the built-in IR illuminator on the N750.
I should guess the visible versions are quite long ranged.
Also check out Clulite...
achosenman
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Thanks for that. I'll give him a call today.
I rate them. I had the usual NightForce kit for lamping solo. I picked up a NM 800 with a red led and the battery extension tube. I also got a yellow LED. The light thrown was better than a lamp with filter IMO. I had it mounted on the scope and it's small size was a joy...especially after having a 170 Striker on the rifle. IMO they are better value than NF kit on build quality alone. I just purchased the IR drop unit for £70 to convert the tourch to IR. You can get it cheaper if you if you are happy with just the IR LED, but they are a bit fiddly to change and prefere getting the screw in body.
ATB
jimbo1984
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Thanks for the reply , my wallet doesnt run to night vision so I'll be using it as a scope mounted torch as you say ,I'm looking for something with a red led or ir so that sounds just the ticket
Hello Gents,
I found the NM800 with the 850nm wavelength IR led was noticed by many animals including rabbits and foxs. The dull red glow of this 850nm IR led occasionally spooked the animal. On advice from Scott Country I recently purchased the 940nm IR led and that is much better. As yet I've not had one animal spooked, that's the upside. Downside is that for the same power setting on the NM800, the illuminated distance is less, so whereas I was using the medium power setting on the NM800 with 850nm IR led, I now use the full power setting with the 940nm IR led. (Must remember to pack additional batteries) Easy viewing distance with my N870 LRF is a good 200yards plus.
Regards
Royr
I found the NM800 with the 850nm wavelength IR led was noticed by many animals including rabbits and foxs. The dull red glow of this 850nm IR led occasionally spooked the animal. On advice from Scott Country I recently purchased the 940nm IR led and that is much better. As yet I've not had one animal spooked, that's the upside. Downside is that for the same power setting on the NM800, the illuminated distance is less, so whereas I was using the medium power setting on the NM800 with 850nm IR led, I now use the full power setting with the 940nm IR led. (Must remember to pack additional batteries) Easy viewing distance with my N870 LRF is a good 200yards plus.
Regards
Royr
I've shot foxes for years using IR with various NV, and yes foxes are aware of IR but their reactions vary. You can soon tell if a fox has spotted the IR, if it has keep the light absolutely still and in most cases they lose interest. The OP mentioned that foxes noticed the IR more when he was in or near the car. It would be totally aware the car was there and a sudden IR light (or any other light for that matter) would confirm there was danger.
Foxes usually need confirmation that there is danger and this is where "lamp shy" foxes are difficult to get. They know you are out there somewhere but when a light or anything else confirms their suspicions they are off. Animals like to know precisely where danger lies as otherwise they could run towards it rather than away.
NM800 still takes some beating although the new Starlight Dragonfly is excellent with digital NV.
Foxes usually need confirmation that there is danger and this is where "lamp shy" foxes are difficult to get. They know you are out there somewhere but when a light or anything else confirms their suspicions they are off. Animals like to know precisely where danger lies as otherwise they could run towards it rather than away.
NM800 still takes some beating although the new Starlight Dragonfly is excellent with digital NV.
ah ha now we're getting somewhere, it's probably the interior light flashing on and off followed by the squeaky seat springs!!
I find that when I point the IR straight at an animal then switch it on that it startles them whereas if I switch on whilst pointing above them then drop the beam onto them slowly they take far less notice.
I agree with Bewsher, I have been operating trail cams for sometime now and have noticed several instances where Foxes and Deer have at night looked purposefully at the camera for up to 30 seconds, just peering at it, other times when the cam is on single shot animals just spook immediately.
Whether this the IR beam or the cam makes a sound I don't know but they certainly know it's there once they have looked at it.
Rgds WB
Whether this the IR beam or the cam makes a sound I don't know but they certainly know it's there once they have looked at it.
Rgds WB
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Good Afternoon Ladies & Gents,
Hope this maybe useful to one or two NV users here.
My experiences to date with 940nm and 850nm IR illumination with Pulsar LRF870 on .223 and .22lr.
Well, during the last 8 months that I've been using the 940nm IR led, targeting rabbits and foxs, I've learnt that the 940nm IR is SO much better than the 850nm at not spooking the closer quarry. The 940nm IR is definitely my preferred IR illumination up to 130 yards, used with the NM800 with its 3 power settings.
On my CZ.223, foxs under 100 yards have taken no notice whatever of the 940nm on the half power setting. Just as an experiment I watched one fox at 89yards, illuminated with the 940nm, happily going about its business hunting rodents. I then switched on a 2nd NM800 with 850nm IR under my coat to dampen the noise of the switch, and shone it at the fox. Well the fox stopped and looked around, then looked straight at me holding the torch. I think the area around the fox being suddenly bathed in light at 850nm alerted it that there was something unnatural happening? I’ve also noted that after about 150yards foxs do not seem to pick up on the 850nm IR, and if they occasionally do, then they do not deem it a danger?
To this end I now have 2 NM800 mounted one on top of the other, on my .223 using 2 NM adjustable mounts. I use the 940nm for closer targets, then add the 850nm illumination on full power to view out to 200yards plus, this combination has worked well for me.
Since Christmas I moved the Pulsar LRF870 onto my CZ .22 lr and used with the 940nm IR I’ve not had one rabbit spooked, with some rabbits popping out from the woods and being under 30 yards.
I now have a suspicion, an unproven theory, that rabbits and foxes eyes/vision extends into the IR range and it extends to 850nm but probably little into 940nm range?
Royr
Hope this maybe useful to one or two NV users here.
My experiences to date with 940nm and 850nm IR illumination with Pulsar LRF870 on .223 and .22lr.
Well, during the last 8 months that I've been using the 940nm IR led, targeting rabbits and foxs, I've learnt that the 940nm IR is SO much better than the 850nm at not spooking the closer quarry. The 940nm IR is definitely my preferred IR illumination up to 130 yards, used with the NM800 with its 3 power settings.
On my CZ.223, foxs under 100 yards have taken no notice whatever of the 940nm on the half power setting. Just as an experiment I watched one fox at 89yards, illuminated with the 940nm, happily going about its business hunting rodents. I then switched on a 2nd NM800 with 850nm IR under my coat to dampen the noise of the switch, and shone it at the fox. Well the fox stopped and looked around, then looked straight at me holding the torch. I think the area around the fox being suddenly bathed in light at 850nm alerted it that there was something unnatural happening? I’ve also noted that after about 150yards foxs do not seem to pick up on the 850nm IR, and if they occasionally do, then they do not deem it a danger?
To this end I now have 2 NM800 mounted one on top of the other, on my .223 using 2 NM adjustable mounts. I use the 940nm for closer targets, then add the 850nm illumination on full power to view out to 200yards plus, this combination has worked well for me.
Since Christmas I moved the Pulsar LRF870 onto my CZ .22 lr and used with the 940nm IR I’ve not had one rabbit spooked, with some rabbits popping out from the woods and being under 30 yards.
I now have a suspicion, an unproven theory, that rabbits and foxes eyes/vision extends into the IR range and it extends to 850nm but probably little into 940nm range?
Royr
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Hello Ranger22,
If a comparison with a 850nm pil is possible then the 940nm (COVERT) pil is easily identified as being a very dull glow compared to the more intense 850nm pil which to me resembles the hot red glow of a piece of coke in a fire.
I had a look for identification on the spare 850nm pil. There is nothing indicating it is 850nm but there are some letter/numbers which may be a code to identify it, written on the back by the spring. To view this code the pil has to be unscrewed/removed from the housing. Nightmaster or Scott Country may then be able to identify it.
Regards
Royr
If a comparison with a 850nm pil is possible then the 940nm (COVERT) pil is easily identified as being a very dull glow compared to the more intense 850nm pil which to me resembles the hot red glow of a piece of coke in a fire.
I had a look for identification on the spare 850nm pil. There is nothing indicating it is 850nm but there are some letter/numbers which may be a code to identify it, written on the back by the spring. To view this code the pil has to be unscrewed/removed from the housing. Nightmaster or Scott Country may then be able to identify it.
Regards
Royr
I've got a NM 800 on my .22 with a Pulsar NV scope. I use it on the medium power setting for rabbit shooting and I find badgers can definitely see it and they don't like it at all. Rabbits can see it but don't seem overly bothered. Same with foxes. Deer stare at it bemused but don't seem at all alarmed by it but badgers, if they happen to look squarely at it, stop dead in their tracks, bark and run off. It can be a nuisance sometimes as they can spook the rabbits.
I guess badgers have particularly sensitive vision at the IR end of the spectrum. Not that surprising I suppose in a nocturnal burrowing animal.
But they do have to be looking squarely into the lens. I was scanning ahead in a field one night looking for rabbit eyes when I saw a badger trotting towards me. I was standing on a clear run so I kept watching to see how far he'd come before he spotted me. His head was down and he was on a mission so he didn't spot the light at all. He came to within 10 feet of me and then I'm not sure whether he spotted the light or I made a noise because he stopped dead, barked, lunged forward and barked again as if he was challenging me to try something, then he thought better of it and turned tail and scarpered barking his head off. I was surprised how ballsy he was. If he'd smelt me I'd have expected him to run but as he didn't do that I assume he didn't know what I was yet his first instinct was to pick a fight.
Leadwasp
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Different vegetation types have different IR reflectance, one reason why it's quite a good band to use in Earth Observation for plant health. The undersides of the leaves similarly reflect possibly giving a large diffuse glow from a torch. This should be worse with near IR in other words shorter wavelength lamps. Deciduous leaf will be worse than evergreen.
The only way to prove the theory is to use your illuminator and have someone take a distant look at you through their NV.
As for colour change there's not enough energy for your surface to re-emit at a different frequency. You can get it with certain lights and chemicals - hence UV and white clothing at discos (those optical brighteners in washing powder that deer are supposed to see)! What you are probably seeing is a colour change as a result of a lack of a particular frequency light to reflect. So a green car is green because it reflects the green portion of white light. If you shine a red light on it it will look dark because there is no green to reflect. Similarly trees are green because the chlorophyll in the middle cells reflects that part of the spectrum. The IR is reflected in different parts of the leaf.
As an aside shoot radios often work in undulating terrain better under leaf than in winter. That's because the water in the leaves reflects radio waves so the transmission bounces around under the canopy and eventually gets into that valley. Much cheaper than a repeater.
My head hurts.
The only way to prove the theory is to use your illuminator and have someone take a distant look at you through their NV.
As for colour change there's not enough energy for your surface to re-emit at a different frequency. You can get it with certain lights and chemicals - hence UV and white clothing at discos (those optical brighteners in washing powder that deer are supposed to see)! What you are probably seeing is a colour change as a result of a lack of a particular frequency light to reflect. So a green car is green because it reflects the green portion of white light. If you shine a red light on it it will look dark because there is no green to reflect. Similarly trees are green because the chlorophyll in the middle cells reflects that part of the spectrum. The IR is reflected in different parts of the leaf.
As an aside shoot radios often work in undulating terrain better under leaf than in winter. That's because the water in the leaves reflects radio waves so the transmission bounces around under the canopy and eventually gets into that valley. Much cheaper than a repeater.
My head hurts.
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