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Farmer iow

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Good afternoon all, don't know really where to start... It's been on my bucket list for many years now to have the chance to be able to stalk and shoot a deer. I have been shooting shotguns and air rifles since the age of 11 and hold a shotgun certificate. What I am looking for is some information or someone to point me in the right direction if it's actually possible, to help find a place or someone that could do a guided stalk as I don't hold a firearms certificate, also is there any training as such I would need to undertake before hand??
 
Welcome to the site.
An outing for complete novices is nothing that has not been done before. When you browse these pages you will see advertised opportunities for what you require? A message or phone call should get the ball rolling, if that call does not work out I am sure you will be pointed in the right direction.

BC.
 
Welcome from Dorset
Good luck with your first stalk!!
There are plenty of people here that could sort it out for you !
Pete
 
Welcome!

To answer your questions, presuming you are aged 17 or over then you can make use of what’s known as the “estate rifle” clause, which allows someone without a firearms certificate to borrow a firearm for the purposes of deer stalking, providing you remain in the presence (typically meaning within sight and earshot) of the lender. This clause is often used up in Scotland for “traditional” deer stalking on the Hill, but is equally applicable down South.

There is no requirement for any formal training, though you will likely find that any half-decent guide will want you to fire the rifle at a target before going stalking (known as “zeroing” or “check zero”) to make sure you are capable and competent of consistently hitting a paper target before putting you in the position of shooting at a live deer.

There are numerous professional and semi-professional stalking guides out there, including many within easy reach of the IoW. I would suggest that you speak to a few, clearly explaining your situation, and select the one who you feel will be most comfortable with guiding you onto your first opportunity at a shot at a live deer.

Ideally they should also give you the opportunity to become comfortable with handling the rifle, taking a few shots at the target first, and will also be able to explain how deer stalking “works”.

Best of luck, and do let us know how it goes.
 
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Welcome!

To answer your questions, presuming you are aged 17 or over then you can make use of what’s known as the “estate rifle” clause, which allows someone without a firearms certificate to borrow a firearm for the purposes of deer stalking, providing you remain in the presence (typically meaning within sight and earshot) of the lender. This clause is often used up in Scotland for “traditional” deer stalking on the Hill, but is equally applicable down South.

There is no requirement for any formal training, though you will likely find that any half-decent guide will want you to fire the rifle at a target before going stalking (known as “zeroing” or “check zero”) to make sure you are capable and competent of consistently hitting a paper target before putting you in the position of shooting at a live deer.

There are numerous professional and semi-professional stalking guides out there, including many within easy reach of the IoW. I would suggest that you speak to a few, clearly explaining your situation, and select the one who you feel will be most comfortable with guiding you onto your first opportunity at a shot at a live deer.

Ideally they should also give you the opportunity to become comfortable with handling the rifle, taking a few shots at the target first, and will also be able to explain how deer stalking “works”.
Thank you so much for this information, really do appreciate it!

I am very much looking forward to finding out more and eventually being able to go on my first stalk
 
Welcome to the site. I can only echo what Willie Gun has put in his post.

You will find a number of people on this site offering paid stalking outings. All I would add is that if and when you book, make sure the guide is commercially insured, as it is commercial stalking not recreational. Ask for references, and in most instances an estate rifle should be available to you.

Good luck, and please ask what you like on here.
 
FYI there is a good rifle club on the island if you want to contact them and gain some centre fire experience
I don't suppose you happen to know a contact for the rifle club over here by any chance? I would definitely like to gain some experience beforehand.

So how does a commercial stalk work in the respect of do you get to keep what you shoot?
 
I don't suppose you happen to know a contact for the rifle club over here by any chance? I would definitely like to gain some experience beforehand.

So how does a commercial stalk work in the respect of do you get to keep what you shoot?
Generally no. That is nearly always extra to the cost of the outing fee. When you decide to contact a guide its best to get all the details of what the stalk involves in an email. Also there is never any guarantee that you will shoot a deer anyway. On average its usually 3 times before a rifle is put on a deer, or so they say. But again in many instances this can be more or less.
 
I completely understand that it's not just turn up and shoot, and in all honesty I think it would be a total anti climax ... It's the whole experience and learning curve I want
 
I don't suppose you happen to know a contact for the rifle club over here by any chance? I would definitely like to gain some experience beforehand.

So how does a commercial stalk work in the respect of do you get to keep what you shoot?
This is a huge simplification, but commercial fees for stalking tend to consist of the following elements:
  1. An outing fee
  2. A trophy fee
  3. A venison fee
Depending on the guide/outfitter the first two are sometimes consolidated.

So, for example, the first outfitter might charge a £60 outing fee (payable regardless of whether an animal is shot) with trophy fees then charged on top if you successfully shoot an animal. The trophy fee is likely to vary from perhaps £35 for a doe or small buck (what is sometimes known as a "cull" animal) up to several hundred - and even thousands - of pounds for a deer with large antlers (what is sometimes called a "medal" head).

The second outfitter might charge you £100 for an outing, but this includes the cost of shooting a cull animal. They may then charge additional trophy fees if you shoot something better than a cull animal.

Venison fees are normally payable separately, as there are plenty of stalkers who don't wish to take the carcass away with them. Venison is typically charged at what are known as "dealer rates", so perhaps £1 per lb, £2lb per kg, etc. This is for the carcass of the animal "in the fur", i.e. with the head, legs and innards removed, but still with the fur on. You will need to butcher the animal yourself, or find someone to do it for you. Some outfitters may also be able to sell you venison that has been processed and cut into the major joints, sausages, etc.

There may also be other charges - for example if you wound or miss a deer, if you make use of the estate rifle, etc.

What is hopefully clear from the above is that you should be made fully aware of the nature of any costs before you engage a particular outfitter/guide. A good outfitter/guide will be very happy to cater to your specific needs and requirements. As Malc says above, one way of ensuring you are going with a good guide is to check that they have the correct commercial stalking insurance, and are not expecting their/your BASC/BDS/CA insurance to be adequate cover - it won't be. Ask the outfitter/guide to send you through their fee schedule along with their Terms and Conditions. If they say they don't bother with these, or will tell you on the day, be very cautious. The tales are legion of people who have gone out to shoot their first deer and then been faced with an unexpected bill for hundreds of pounds. This is not said to put you off at all, as most professional guides are excellent and rely on their reputations for ongoing business, but there are also some "chancers" out there as well. Caveat emptor is certainly the name of the game!
 
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I was in a similar position a couple of years ago, wanting to try stalking but no idea where to start - it can be daunting if you don't have someone to show you the ropes. That said, thanks to this site I've managed to get started and to learn one end of a deer from the other. The above is all good advice and I've nothing more to add than good luck and I hope you enjoy it.
 
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