Keeping warm when hunting

Heym SR20

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A really good little reminder of some of the basics of keeping warm in cold weather, especially if walking in somewhere and then have to stay there.

Carry a spare base layer and socks in your back. When you get to where you want to be and all sweaty, change your base layer and socks so you good and dry and comfortable.

And carry your big insulation and put it on when you stop.

 
Heated electric Gillett and power bank, only turn it on when needed and off when you are on the move again, also carry Little Hotties one in each glove and a spare set in pocket. Less layers and more flexibility
 
Merino underwear and socks next to skin. If it's really cold then two merino tops and bottoms. No cotton - not even your boxers. Merino will keep sweat/moisture off the surface of the skin, wick and stop you feeling sweaty/clammy. Much better than polyester or polyprop underwear. Two pairs of socks also works when bloody cold but one must be very thin.

Fleece mid layer top and if really cold trousers too. This is your main insulation layer. No membranes as they will restrict moisture exiting the system.

Outer layer should be Gore Tex or another high quality membrane. Not sweat in the bin bag cheep stuff. This will allow the sweat to exit the system. Water sucks away body heat 30 times faster than air so having a good quality breathable on when walking up hills is important - keeping the sweat in gets you cold very quickly. Sweat/Water really is the big enemy and needs to be eradicated.

When dressed up like this, well insulated and dry, you will be loosing about 40% of remaining body heat through hands and head. This can be used to your advantage when working hard. Gloves and hat off when walking up hills and sweating will regulate heat well. Put a pair of gloves and a good beanie (or even better a fleece lined waterproof cap) on when you get to the top and have stopped sweating or when you start feeling cold.

I find that in cold but no wind I'm fine with a baseball cap and fingerless fleece gloves. As soon as the wind starts blowing over 10 knots the the wind chill forces me to put on the big hat and waterproof gloves. My back pack usually has an assortment of hats and gloves in it - putting on a dry pair of gloves when your current ones are wet through warms the hands very quickly. Same with a hat. And they don't take up much space.

If in a high seat then all bets are off. Really tough to stay warm without something like a duck down mid layer and a 5mm neoprene seat pad. This is really where the heated jacket/boots come into their own, or the Hotties. Again, head hands and feet need wrapping up warm.

I always find that lingering over the gralloch with you hands inside the beast for a while is fabulous for getting heat back into your fingers.

I've done this for a living for 35 years with a certain amount of success, having had the benefit of testing a lot of fabrics on a lot of people in extreme conditions. There is no such thing as totally warm, dry and comfortable when the conditions are really cold/wet, but the above is about as good as it gets if you're going to go out in it.
 
Merino underwear and socks next to skin. If it's really cold then two merino tops and bottoms. No cotton - not even your boxers. Merino will keep sweat/moisture off the surface of the skin, wick and stop you feeling sweaty/clammy. Much better than polyester or polyprop underwear. Two pairs of socks also works when bloody cold but one must be very thin.
If only I could. I simply can‘t stand ANY sort of wool directly on the skin on my upper body. I have to resort to synthetic materials.
 
Any thoughts on the Buffalo pile/pertex system @NigelM ?

I was out yesterday, not stalking but up a hill in Scotland, out all day in a Buffalo shirt worn next to the skin, no baselayer or shell carried. Perfectly comfortable and warm and dry by the time I'd driven home.
 
Any thoughts on the Buffalo pile/pertex system @NigelM ?

I was out yesterday, not stalking but up a hill in Scotland, out all day in a Buffalo shirt worn next to the skin, no baselayer or shell carried. Perfectly comfortable and warm and dry by the time I'd driven home.

Had one on myself this morning out with the dogs. I don't wear it next to skin but over merino as I find polyester fleece next to skin pretty clammy. Love it when it's cold and dry as it's warm and windproof. Does a great job. Very breathable.

However, it's noisy so I don't stalk in it and it's not very robust or waterproof in the true sense of the word - OK in a little rain but go out in heavy rain or start to crawl in it and you will soon get very damp. Better products out there if you want waterproof.
 
Pure silk base layer, gents, long sleeve top & leggings, if you can find them, high end, not girly, lighter and more efficient than Merino. Both have their place.
 
Had one on myself this morning out with the dogs. I don't wear it next to skin but over merino as I find polyester fleece next to skin pretty clammy. Love it when it's cold and dry as it's warm and windproof. Does a great job. Very breathable.

However, it's noisy so I don't stalk in it and it's not very robust or waterproof in the true sense of the word - OK in a little rain but go out in heavy rain or start to crawl in it and you will soon get very damp. Better products out there if you want waterproof.

Thanks, yes they aren't waterproof, but as long as you're moving you keep warm even when wet, (as you know).

I was out recently in full monsoon conditions all day. By the time I got back to base there wasn't a dry square inch of clothing on me, but I was warm in the Buffalo. They aren't perfect I agree; had a dpm smock on too for the pockets and a bit of extra protection, and I'd have struggled if I'd needed to stop for any length of time.

Good demo of Buffalo gear here;



The search for the perfect setup continues...
 
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im a sweater ..even when fit as hell back in the day id sweat ....now if moving i layer.... remove outer ..small ruck sack and once stopped and cooling layer back up ...again fine if yer moving and bloods moving yer warm....but cold feet!!! jeezo!...stop for any length of time get cold feet....
decided i need quality socks ...merino mentioned but what good quality socks are out there ??

Paul
 
High seats. You really need the hut style rather than an old school chair stuck on a ladder.

Then have a decent sleeping bag and a set dry socks. Take off boots, put on dry socks and get into sleeping bag.

If you can find one, then the clever Europeans have plenty of bags that have sleeves and are wide enough to take your boots, or the bottom folds up.

But the real secret with high seats is to build up heat, but not sweat on the way in. Have your warm clothing - down jacket etc in a backpack.

And many highseats in the UK seem to be built to direct cold drafts directly at your kidneys and down your neck. For winter use it’s well worth spending some adding insulation. Old carpet on the insides and on roof works wonders.

Have boards that fold up over the openings, even better would be windows. And make sure you have a door.

At very least take a waterproof picnic type rug and wrap this around yourself before starting to sit. And have a warm stew in a thermos pot for once you have spent some time in there.
 
If only I could. I simply can‘t stand ANY sort of wool directly on the skin on my upper body. I have to resort to synthetic materials.
same here! rather have a swift kick in the bollocks than forced to wear anything woollen on my skin for any period of time.
 
Merino underwear and socks next to skin. If it's really cold then two merino tops and bottoms. No cotton - not even your boxers. Merino will keep sweat/moisture off the surface of the skin, wick and stop you feeling sweaty/clammy. Much better than polyester or polyprop underwear. Two pairs of socks also works when bloody cold but one must be very thin.

Fleece mid layer top and if really cold trousers too. This is your main insulation layer. No membranes as they will restrict moisture exiting the system.

Outer layer should be Gore Tex or another high quality membrane. Not sweat in the bin bag cheep stuff. This will allow the sweat to exit the system. Water sucks away body heat 30 times faster than air so having a good quality breathable on when walking up hills is important - keeping the sweat in gets you cold very quickly. Sweat/Water really is the big enemy and needs to be eradicated.

When dressed up like this, well insulated and dry, you will be loosing about 40% of remaining body heat through hands and head. This can be used to your advantage when working hard. Gloves and hat off when walking up hills and sweating will regulate heat well. Put a pair of gloves and a good beanie (or even better a fleece lined waterproof cap) on when you get to the top and have stopped sweating or when you start feeling cold.

I find that in cold but no wind I'm fine with a baseball cap and fingerless fleece gloves. As soon as the wind starts blowing over 10 knots the the wind chill forces me to put on the big hat and waterproof gloves. My back pack usually has an assortment of hats and gloves in it - putting on a dry pair of gloves when your current ones are wet through warms the hands very quickly. Same with a hat. And they don't take up much space.

If in a high seat then all bets are off. Really tough to stay warm without something like a duck down mid layer and a 5mm neoprene seat pad. This is really where the heated jacket/boots come into their own, or the Hotties. Again, head hands and feet need wrapping up warm.

I always find that lingering over the gralloch with you hands inside the beast for a while is fabulous for getting heat back into your fingers.

I've done this for a living for 35 years with a certain amount of success, having had the benefit of testing a lot of fabrics on a lot of people in extreme conditions. There is no such thing as totally warm, dry and comfortable when the conditions are really cold/wet, but the above is about as good as it gets if you're going to go out in it.
The very worst conditions are wet and windy, between 1 and 5 degrees. Almost nothing works for long then.
 
I'm not sure if Randy Newberg learnt from @NigelM or if Nigel watched the video;) but you are both correct.

But, common sense dictates, if you're active, you stay warm, if you sit/stand still you get cold.
I have plenty of Sitka Gear, and like other makes, it works, walking around Devon or up the Mountains in Montana, it works, but sit in a high seat in the cold, you will eventually freeze.
The coldest I have ever been, standing waiting for the Elk to appear in -25c, they didn't, I nearly froze to death!

Cheers

Richard
 
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