Latest Hilux 2.4 real world?

[GSP84]

I have had a new Hilux for 8 months and 16k Miles.

Average MPG on the Auto is 31mpg, on a long run at 65mph I have also seen 40mpg which is better than even Toyota states it can get. I measured on fuel used vs miles done rather than the trip computer and it’s accurate.

Now the niggles:...

a) I’m on my third windscreen... in 16k... they seem to be a weak point in all toyotas at the moment.
b) the common horrible knock and rattle from the front end... it turns out this is the bonnet coming loose but it took 3 different dealerships to figure that out.
c) rear parking sensors simply do not work in the rain, rear camera is great though almost rendering them pointless anyway.
d) I had a lot of issues with my front sensors, lots of trips in and out of the dealership network, eventually fixed by replacing all sensors and the entire wiring loom which got damp in it.
e) sales brochure states auto wipers... didn’t come woth Auto wipers
f) sales brochure said stop start function... didn’t come woth stop start function (2018 ones do)
g) sales brochure said full sized sore wheel, I have a 17” alloy off an invincible instead of 18” alloy off the invincible x
h) toyota customer service is utterly useless, between ordering and collection the price went up... and they made me pay it... I ended up wth free servicing amongst other things as a result... but the whole buying experience was terrible
i) most dealerships seem completely incompetent when it comes to diagnosing and repairing hiluxs, I now travel 25 miles each way for servicing because my local one 1.2 miles away are that terrible.

Some people experience rust with the rear bumper, mine is fine so far. Underneath also seems perfectly fine with no additional treatment. Mine is very well used off-road. It’s extremely capable and I have never been stuck.

Having said all that, the Hilux is still the best out of all the pickups, just read the reviews on the ranger etc.

 

[tackb]

The Hilux 2.8 4cyl 177hp motor is pretty close to the output of the 4.5 8cyl single turbo Land Cruiser pickup, which is totally irrelevent and you guys don’t get that in the UK. The twin turbo Land Cruiser 4.5 8cyl output is in a totally different league, 268hp.

However... here’s the rub. The little 4cyl Land Cruiser weighs ~2300kg and the 200 series 8cyl weighs ~2700kg, with torque figures of 331lb-ft and 479lb-ft respectively. When you convert that to a rough torque to weight ratio ignoring the imperial vs metric units, you’re looking at a ratios of 0.14 and 0.17 respectively. Torque being the most important aspect of drivability of this type of vehicle, the new tech diesels are catching up with the previous generation. I reckon if you test drove one of the 2.8 “little” Land Cruisers, you might be surprised how well it goes.

it's not only about the power , I'm a fan of big lazy engines over small highly boosted engines , in my experience big lazy engines last better

 

[Vulpesvulpes]

I am getting a 2018 demo for a long weekend. Salesman said there are a few improvements since the 2016/7 model. £2,000 difference to the 16 plate. All comments noted.

 

[User00033]

I have had a new Hilux for 8 months and 16k Miles.

Average MPG on the Auto is 31mpg, on a long run at 65mph I have also seen 40mpg which is better than even Toyota states it can get. I measured on fuel used vs miles done rather than the trip computer and it’s accurate.

Now the niggles:...

a) I’m on my third windscreen... in 16k... they seem to be a weak point in all toyotas at the moment.
b) the common horrible knock and rattle from the front end... it turns out this is the bonnet coming loose but it took 3 different dealerships to figure that out.
c) rear parking sensors simply do not work in the rain, rear camera is great though almost rendering them pointless anyway.
d) I had a lot of issues with my front sensors, lots of trips in and out of the dealership network, eventually fixed by replacing all sensors and the entire wiring loom which got damp in it.
e) sales brochure states auto wipers... didn’t come woth Auto wipers
f) sales brochure said stop start function... didn’t come woth stop start function (2018 ones do)
g) sales brochure said full sized sore wheel, I have a 17” alloy off an invincible instead of 18” alloy off the invincible x
h) toyota customer service is utterly useless, between ordering and collection the price went up... and they made me pay it... I ended up wth free servicing amongst other things as a result... but the whole buying experience was terrible
i) most dealerships seem completely incompetent when it comes to diagnosing and repairing hiluxs, I now travel 25 miles each way for servicing because my local one 1.2 miles away are that terrible.

Some people experience rust with the rear bumper, mine is fine so far. Underneath also seems perfectly fine with no additional treatment. Mine is very well used off-road. It’s extremely capable and I have never been stuck.

Having said all that, the Hilux is still the best out of all the pickups, just read the reviews on the ranger etc.

It's very sad that we hear this kind of experience again and again. It's no different anywhere in the world, most dealers of most brands are crap, that's been my experience. In Aus, the Toyota dealers were utterly hopeless when we travelled the country with an in-warranty vehicle that required dealership servicing. I'm not going to bother recounting the horror stories, makes me too cross.

Similar problems with Ford, when the wife's car was a new Mondeo wagon, with VW when we had the T5 Transporter. The only good new car dealer experience for me was my Subaru Impreza, they were brilliant and I loved that car, have never got over selling it, big mistake.

These days, assuming you don't buy anything from Land Rover, or a high spec version of a particular model with more things to go wrong, your risks around second hand car ownership are much lower than they used to be. This business about having a new car warranty? Man the drama I've had trying to get repairs done quickly on warranty. My expectation that the dealer is going to get the repair down right first time seems to be shot down in flames every time. How naive of me! I seriously doubt I'm going to bother buying new again, I've not seen the benefits with the last 4 new vehicles, just drama after drama after drama and me writing angry letters to retards in offices who couldn't give a damn.

Anyway. GSP84 is right about the Ford Rangers. As with anything that's spec'd up, more powerful, newer tech, etc etc, there's a lot to go wrong.

In early 2014 we were forced into buying Rangers at the mine in WA when some head office numpty changed the OS&H rules around fleet vehicles. We could only buy NCAP 5 star safety rating vehicles, and the MY13 KUN26R Hilux was only 4 star because it didn't have electronic stability control.

So off we went in our new Rangers.... back to the dealership. Over and over again. They simply fell apart. The build quality and durability in tough operating conditions was shocking and a major surprise. Lovely to drive on the highway, oodles of grunt, but freakin' useless in an environment the Hilux had thrived in for years. One day I cracked the sh^ts big time due to the bulldust just flooding the cabin through rubbish door seals, even with positive cabin air pressure with the vent turned onto full / recycle. Parked it up and walked 12km back to the office. It was a pleasant way to spend the afternoon. We binned the Rangers at <20,000km and replaced with the last release of the KUN26R Hiluxes which got a facelift in Q2 2014 and.... ESC.... and a 5 star safety rating. Just bad timing all round, and a lesson learnt.

You know I'm a Hilux man fellas, but the above is a real world experience of the Rangers. I know operating conditions are totally different there to what you've got in the UK, but GSP84 is right, find and read the long term industrial fleet user reviews.

 

[User00033]

This news today pretty much sums up everything this I think is wrong about the direction off-road vehicles are heading in:

http://www.driven.co.nz/reviews/previews/ford-reveal-tough-ranger-raptor-based-on-f-150-for-nz/

I do not want a 10 speed auto box. I want a 5 or 6 speed manual. I do not want to super high compression, mega high fuel pressure twin turbo diesel! Only time will tell but I reckon the halycon days of diesel durability are behind us. The 1990s Toyota 1HD-FTE 6cyl 4.2L being the pinnacle of go anywhere do anything last a million kms... and then another million after a quick spruce up. Oh well, we the consumers will be dictated to won't we.

Note the comment on the Ranger being more "urban favoured".

 

[Odders]

This news today pretty much sums up everything this I think is wrong about the direction off-road vehicles are heading in:

http://www.driven.co.nz/reviews/previews/ford-reveal-tough-ranger-raptor-based-on-f-150-for-nz/

I do not want a 10 speed auto box. I want a 5 or 6 speed manual. I do not want to super high compression, mega high fuel pressure twin turbo diesel! Only time will tell but I reckon the halycon days of diesel durability are behind us. The 1990s Toyota 1HD-FTE 6cyl 4.2L being the pinnacle of go anywhere do anything last a million kms... and then another million after a quick spruce up. Oh well, we the consumers will be dictated to won't we.

Note the comment on the Ranger being more "urban favoured".

Indeed.
I don't want some sad excuse for a middle ranking executive's ego booster: I want a comfortable & reliable truck that will handle driving around in mud & snow & rough tracks.
Heck; you can't even specify decent tyres on a new tuck without paying their full (& I mean full) retail price, never mind a refund for the unused road tyres they come with.

 

[tuck1]

Agreed Odders. A basic work truck, with plenty of grunt, little to go wrong, but with the extras which actually make sense. Like decent reverse lights. Heated mirrors. A warm heater, aircon. And somewhere to put a brew. Decent towing capacity. Easy to hose out. Decent chassis sealing. Etc etc.

My mk5 hilux is probably the last of what I would consider the real "work horse" trucks, before they moved production from Japan. I wish I could find the modern equivalent