lawrence precision
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Educational and interesting to say the least....
csl
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I went to quite a bit of effort in getting two mods side by side, fired one then the other, videoed it (with a witness) and posted it on here. I have yet to see anyone do the same for any other moderator on any shooting forums.
Then someone comes along and says something like "heard one and it's the loudest thing I've ever heard". No details of the circumstances, nothing that would help me understand how their findings can be so completely different from my own. In fact no evidence at all for that matter.
It's frustrating, but there we go. That's the internet for you.
To anyone reading this looking for a moderator, do your research on here, go handle some, hear some, talk to the vendors and customers and buy whatever's right for you.
Then someone comes along and says something like "heard one and it's the loudest thing I've ever heard". No details of the circumstances, nothing that would help me understand how their findings can be so completely different from my own. In fact no evidence at all for that matter.
It's frustrating, but there we go. That's the internet for you.
To anyone reading this looking for a moderator, do your research on here, go handle some, hear some, talk to the vendors and customers and buy whatever's right for you.
To be fair, you compared it to a Wildcat Predator 8, which is a rubbish moderator.
Unfortunately whilst reviews and tests are all well and good, the acid test for a moderator is always going to be the first time someone either gets behind one on a rifle, or stands by their friend whilst its being used on another rifle. Obviously the terrain the rifle is used in, and the calibre in question have a bearing on this opinion, as well as the fact that decibel wise a moderator can perform well but the actual sound produced is at a pitch undesirable to the human ear.
There are 2 components to the sound reduction, which are the pressure reduction of the expanding gases, thereby lessening the supersonic crack, and secondly the resonance of the moderator itself. I believe that the second factor is one of the more crucial in the perceived "loudness" of a mod. Aluminium and titanium are very good high frequency resonators in thin sections, so similar to a loud speaker with over bearing tweeters the lighter mods can sound harsh/loud to the ear, despite the figures being acceptable at the DB meter.
see it shoot it
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also done by fred in a shed,I bet Purdey wouldn't charge that much LOL
Frog
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Lawrence Precision loud? Sorry chaps but mine isn't and it's the compact. Before fitting the LP I tried two other mods, a PES and a Trident. The PES was in 30 Cal so not a perfect comparison on my 6.5x55 but to my ears the LP is at least as effective. The tone of the report is the best and somehow the rifle feels sweeter to shoot. Yes - 330gms is not especially light these days - but then it's not aluminium! I'm very pleased with my purchase and that's all that matters.
timbrayford
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+1, I agree I am very pleased with my LP mod. I really think that it is for the individual to make a value for money judgement on what best suits their needs. atb Tim
Brithunter
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I know nothing about LP except what I have read on these forums .............................. I'll say that up front.
However I have rarely ever met someone who is willing to admit after spending a lot on an item that it was perhaps not as good as the price would make one think it would be.
Pride, ego, call it what you like but it's simply human nature to bluster and put on a good face. The higher the price the more this factor seems to come into play.
Please note I am not knocking the product as I have never seen one so cannot make any judgement on them but i can comment on human nature.
However I have rarely ever met someone who is willing to admit after spending a lot on an item that it was perhaps not as good as the price would make one think it would be.
Pride, ego, call it what you like but it's simply human nature to bluster and put on a good face. The higher the price the more this factor seems to come into play.
Please note I am not knocking the product as I have never seen one so cannot make any judgement on them but i can comment on human nature.
timbrayford
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To date nothing wrong with my LP mod, the negative comments appear to be from those that have never owned one, likewise Blaser rifles. atb Tim
Rutland lad
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I have one, and so do at least three others I stalk with.
To use an old adage, "you get what you pay for" - I like the fact it's made by someone I can actually speak to on the phone, not mass produced in another country. I also like the lifetime gaurantee and the fact that it can be used over my lifetime on a number of rifles.
A cheap car can get you from A - B as well as an expensive one, but how many of us choose to buy cheap cars ? We generally buy what we fancy at the time - I fancied a Lawrence Precision, and I bought one.
It's a free country (at the moment) for us to make our own choices. Crack on !
To use an old adage, "you get what you pay for" - I like the fact it's made by someone I can actually speak to on the phone, not mass produced in another country. I also like the lifetime gaurantee and the fact that it can be used over my lifetime on a number of rifles.
A cheap car can get you from A - B as well as an expensive one, but how many of us choose to buy cheap cars ? We generally buy what we fancy at the time - I fancied a Lawrence Precision, and I bought one.
It's a free country (at the moment) for us to make our own choices. Crack on !
Each to their own I guess...doubt any of my customers would pay £150 for a threading job, not when they pay half that inc recrown and shortening if required...good engineering is good engineering, one machine isn't any better than another!
JabaliHunter
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Because you'll never need another in your lifetime....
A friend has one on his 6.5X55 and it sounded loud in comparison to other common mods. If it were steel and cost £250 bracket, I would buy a Wildcat instead as they sound quieter. Seems the downside is not just the price tag, sound attenuation seems to be an issue too.
NorthDorset
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So my local RFD recently quoted me £150 to screwcut, recrown and entirely reblack my tatty .308 Remington 700 PSS bought for £350 from Swllington. The T12 mod I bought from a fellow member here for £120 ish.
I'm at Bisley Saturday. After that I will put it in to be done. Happy to offer a side by side comparison when complete next month.
There is great pleasure in owning special things but if my project works out it will be enormously satisfying.
I'm at Bisley Saturday. After that I will put it in to be done. Happy to offer a side by side comparison when complete next month.
There is great pleasure in owning special things but if my project works out it will be enormously satisfying.
CNCs aren't cheap hence the cost...not only that once it's programmed it's push the button and away you go...probably less than 5 minutes later "hey presto" thread and recrown done! You neither need or want a thread to be cut to such tight tolerance...your most important part of the process is the shoulder for the mod to marry up to square...the thread just gets it there!
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It takes a lot longer than 5 mins. The style of lathe that LP and I use is called a teach lathe as opposed to a fully automated slant bed. This basically means that it's a manual lathe with automation features which allow you to speed up more monotonous tasks such as threading, tapers, chamfers etc etc.
It still takes me 1-1.5 hrs to fully strip a rifle, shorten if wanted, dial in the bore, thread, re-crown, polish, clean and re-assemble. some are obviously quicker, some longer if I have to make a spindle bushing to hold the barrel in the lathe.
The main benefits are being able to run carbide insert tooling at the feeds and speeds it is designed to be used at, thereby getting excellent surface finishes. It also allows job to job consistency to be greatly improved.
In terms of threads, I thread all my barrels to an industry standard tolerance, max 2A for imperial, and max 6G for metric. This avoids any problems with threading barrels to fit moderators and then a customer changes the make of mod and it's now either too tight or too loose. If a moderator doesn't fit then there is an issue with the mod and it goes back or is reworked, to date this has only happened a couple of times.
I was only commenting on what I've seen in terms of a CNC cutting a thread, wasn't putting down anyone's work.
I use a selection of alloy/nylon bushings in the spindle bore and it works well and saves time. If I cut both threads I keep to a standard, however if I'm fitting a moderator (providing it's cut true) I match the thread to fit...always surprises me how different they can be.
Brithunter
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Hmmm those teach lathes must have improved. The company I used to work for bought one and after several months of hassle finally rejected it as useless, not fit for purpose, bit of a stink it caused but they came a removed it finally. Of course that was Oh back in 1999 or there abouts. It was a Churchill lathe as I recall.
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