No mention of Lead....done a few wings/arches in plumbers Lead
Cast lots of dive weights.. now there is a thing Dive Weights!
Lead ammunition restrictions - government announcement
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Cast lots of dive weights.. now there is a thing Dive Weights!
tackb
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That’s good newshappy for you
However, there is the other issue around what happens to nature, it’s not all about people
cleverly worded that is , a 0.8% drop in population growth , but no metric to measure it by , if the population was growing at 200% a reduction of 0.8% is nothing.
scaremongering in my opinion or they would have put more info in the article for you to make an informed decision.
The question to ask is would they be dying of lead poisoning if their food source itself hadn't been contaminated by shooting.......
I used to work on a site that was surrounded by country where driven pheasants were "sportingly" shot, and there were many carcasses simply left where they fell for foxes and badgers to eat, and no doubt become ill as a result.
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I used to work on a site that was surrounded by country where driven pheasants were "sportingly" shot, and there were many carcasses simply left where they fell for foxes and badgers to eat, and no doubt become ill as a result.
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timbrayford
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timbrayford
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With all due respect that's conjecture!
A 10k (put down) bird shoot close to me has been running for 40 years I have been going over there for 50 years shot pigeons on there since the 80's They are a classic picking seed feeding birds same as pheasants, they grow osr borrage linseed all small shot sized seeds. Honestly the only what you might class a sick is the odd partridge/pheasant which flew on with a leg down and was missed by the picking up team.
We are not far from the tidal rivers marshes and never seen bird flu either.
Shooting standing crops laid barley peas wheat then there will be a % that is not picked as they might drop 150 yds on or land in a garden and keel over.
Rewulf
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Your mates had one too many, you tell him not to drive home....
Your good advice falls on deaf ears, he gets into his car and runs your dog over, kills it.
Do you just 'suck it up' and move on ?
Weve been complaining about this for 5 years, the shooting orgs have told us to stop complaining (It will only be lead shot for live quarry
) and stop using lead, for the sake of biodiversity....Look at the state of affairs now.
'No doubt' ?
Theres as much evidence for this, as there is for the 'estimated' 50-100,000 birds killed every year by lead poisoning, or 'We know these ducks were shot with lead illegally' so everyones still using lead illegally on the foreshore.
How many sick or dead foxes and badgers did you observe?
Brave Echo Niner
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If one of my mates had too much (anything) to drink and was thinking about driving then I'll tell them not to drive, and if they don't listen, take their keys off them.Your mates had one too many, you tell him not to drive home....
Your good advice falls on deaf ears, he gets into his car and runs your dog over, kills it.
Do you just 'suck it up' and move on ?
Weve been complaining about this for 5 years, the shooting orgs have told us to stop complaining (It will only be lead shot for live quarry
Look at the state of affairs now.
If i take your scenario though, I can't bring the dog back to life so yes it's sh*t, but you can't change it so have your period of grief then life has to go on, we're now in time to move on stage.
I think the issue is the community as a whole failed to show the necessary movement to avoid regulation being brought in as it has been, those who continued to go out and actively choose lead when good copper alternatives existed do hold some of the blame, if they want to admit it or not.
This is all irrelevant now though, because we're being told what to do, so stop whinging and find something that works for you in the transition period that has been provided...
As the saying goes "Don't fight the last war..."
timbrayford
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Ok, to try and come up with a sensible idea -now that it's evident that the shooting orgs. can't be relied upon:-
What:-
1. Prohibit the retail sale of lead shot game
2. Introduce a planning requirement on new shooting grounds/ranges for lead containment and recovery
Why:-
1. This would address the perceived issue of the entry of lead residues into the human food chain, leaving those of us who prefer to make our own life choices free to do so.
Commercial shoots and those processing game beyond their own personal needs would be incentivised to use non-lead alternatives.
2.Existing shooting grounds, military ranges (exempt - including their SSSIs and SPAs) are already heavily contaminated with lead/heavy metals rendering further restrictions irrelevant, new grounds would address any environmental issues.
What:-
1. Prohibit the retail sale of lead shot game
2. Introduce a planning requirement on new shooting grounds/ranges for lead containment and recovery
Why:-
1. This would address the perceived issue of the entry of lead residues into the human food chain, leaving those of us who prefer to make our own life choices free to do so.
Commercial shoots and those processing game beyond their own personal needs would be incentivised to use non-lead alternatives.
2.Existing shooting grounds, military ranges (exempt - including their SSSIs and SPAs) are already heavily contaminated with lead/heavy metals rendering further restrictions irrelevant, new grounds would address any environmental issues.
Well you could just go out the next day and buy a new dog, but I can't quite see how your analogy fits into the current debate?
Rewulf
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BASC told us there WASNT a war, they did the whole 'Peace in our time !' thing with the voluntary 'phase out' for lead shot and live quarry.
I said at the time, you are inviting a ban..
I was ridiculed by Conor, there is no 'ban' stop saying its a ban ! Youre misinforming the masses !
A year later, consultations, I said a bans coming, got called an anti shooting troll....
Now we have the looming ban, and we have the pro BASC lobby saying it was 'inevitable'
Theres even some saying it might not happen 
Just like war was coming in 1939 (before that really) and the Neville Chamberlains saying it wasnt, we had all the warnings that 'The voice' of shooting was selling us out for its own ends in 2020.
The tragedy is, too many people still believe they are the saviour, and will fight for us, they just arent going to do that, and need sacking off.
timbrayford
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You just need to look at the LAG stuff to observe the enemy within, we've got to fight as individuals on our own two feet on this one, we've been well and truly been stabbed in the back by those whom we've paid by subscription to fight our corner.BASC told us there WASNT a war, they did the whole 'Peace in our time !' thing with the voluntary 'phase out' for lead shot and live quarry.
I said at the time, you are inviting a ban..
I was ridiculed by Conor, there is no 'ban' stop saying its a ban ! Youre misinforming the masses !
A year later, consultations, I said a bans coming, got called an anti shooting troll....
Now we have the looming ban, and we have the pro BASC lobby saying it was 'inevitable'
Just like war was coming in 1939 (before that really) and the Neville Chamberlains saying it wasnt, we had all the warnings that 'The voice' of shooting was selling us out for its own ends in 2020.
The tragedy is, too many people still believe they are the saviour, and will fight for us, they just arent going to do that, and need sacking off.
Rewulf
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I would have been very disappointed in BASC if they had just stubbornly refused to accept that change was necessary and inevitable, and simply carried on banging the same old worn-out drum.
(As so many shooters seem to do).
The death of shooting in the UK won't be through excessive legislation. It'll be through stagnation.
timbrayford
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The handgun ban did not result in the end of shooting in the UK.
The Semi auto centrefire ban did not result in the end of shooting in the UK.
The lead ban will not result in the end of shooting in the UK.
The thing that will result in the end of shooting in the UK is lack of recruitment, and while shooting sports remains dominated by a lot of grumpy old farts who primarily spend their time moaning about how nothing is as good as it was in the old days (despite a marked reluctance to give up those benefits of modern life that make them more comfortable), there's not much to attract youngsters in. Only doom and gloom.
If every single FAC and SGC holder were to mentor a young person, teach them, encourage them, support them in their own FAC or SGC application when the time came, then the future would be assured. And those youngsters would be better placed than the current crop of old farts are to work with, rather than against, change in society's perception and acceptance of shooting, and the inevitable changes in legislation that accompany that.
Lack of role models and people willing to be mentors is what's killing shooting sports, not legislation.
tackb
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i am a shooter and have been my whole life , however if i was going to ban shooting this death of a thousand cuts is the way i would go about it......................
as i tell my american friends , always fight every restriction because the antis do not have any other acceptable number of shooters than zero and every little success they have is simply another step towards their goal.
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