glasshalffull
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What you saying you'd be happy when foxes are extinct? This is the usual argument for large fox bags. It's total p**h. I've shot plenty of PROBLEM foxes but draw the line at that.
Legally limit how many fox you can shoot??
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glasshalffull
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Nope it ain't. Pigeons all damage farmers crop, not every fox is a livestock killer that's the difference.
I've had a complaint about me by a neighbor to a farm i shoot on saying I've shot all her foxs, next thing you know there is more! Never ending job and I dont really do it for sport, I do it for livestock protection (lambs, chickens and ducks)
If it’s red it’s dead. We are an arable farm mainly but have a small game syndicate and have good numbers of hare, English partridge and in the local area we have a lot of rspb land. We have a great mix of song birds and ground nesters too, I believe this is mainly down to keeping charlie in check.
Hornet 6
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Why should foxes not be allowed to kill lambs, within reason ?
They are all gods creatures, lambs are a foxes natural prey, that has always been so, why should the fact someone is
making a living at the lambs expense make them more important than the foxes.
Nobody has the right to exploit animals for profit, and yes I eat lamb, when I can afford it.
If foxes are eating your lambs then put fences up, same chicken farmers have to, same as you fence your gardens to keep
undesirables out.
Neil.
They are all gods creatures, lambs are a foxes natural prey, that has always been so, why should the fact someone is
making a living at the lambs expense make them more important than the foxes.
Nobody has the right to exploit animals for profit, and yes I eat lamb, when I can afford it.
If foxes are eating your lambs then put fences up, same chicken farmers have to, same as you fence your gardens to keep
undesirables out.
Neil.
My reference was to the op quoting baiting foxes > re running a rotary flapper 50 decoys (which we do) the set up is the bait along side the food on the ground. The decoys just direct the birds into where we shoot them the fox bait is put out in a position where it is a safe shot...
At the moment around here the birds are picking on hedge rows as very little rape drilled, also many farms are still too wet for drilling...
You clearly live in a part of the country where that sort of thing is possible. Try putting a fence around your lambs on ground like we have here though (Exmoor) and you'll be thinking again...
Hornet 6
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You wouldn't fence lambs in here anymore, be a waste of money as no lambs around here, actually dont remember seeing lambs locally for over 25 years.
That said if you raise lambs on Exmoor, and places like that, then you have to accept the losses from natural predators.
Neil.
merlin
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Why would you have to accept losses from natural predators when there is a perfectly legal way to mitigate such losses?
I'm not a farmer, but I do shoot foxes to protect vulnerable species including grey partridge, lapwings, and others. So farming isnt my income, but if my income was being depleted and I could legally do something to stop that depletion, I would. Wouldn't you? Or would you just accept that loss?
I shot over 140 foxes on a farm 4 mins drive from mine with the sheppard lambing 3 times a year....
There is a good head of sheep around with salt marsh grazed being very popular...
reloader54
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"wow, you must have been the talk of your local for ages. legend."
Don't drink so don't go in the pub...full of ****s..
mind you the pigeon and deer shooting doors opened up...
I can see this one rangling on. Local farmer to me when we talked about people who didnt want foxes shot said if someone was going to their bank and stealing £100 a night then they would be pretty keen to stop it. The same said people who were moaning about the foxes being shot were letting their gsd dog chase sheep, lambs and deer. Another person i know complains about me shooting deer and the use of os and ns license. Yet he will shoot a beast without a license when it suits him and hunt deer with his lurcher on my ground. Getting sick of the preachers and hypercryts
reloader54
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The "unified front " of all the various shooting factions is truly astounding.
boy, those out to stop it are gonna have a fight on their hands, eh fellas?
It really wouldn't surprise me to see faces with the sabs that once stood holding guns.
I'm out.
boy, those out to stop it are gonna have a fight on their hands, eh fellas?
It really wouldn't surprise me to see faces with the sabs that once stood holding guns.
I'm out.
You can't have many sparrow hawks about then, or stoats.
Not many
Not strictly true, a lot of Victorians hunted with hounds and foxes were preserved and keepers could be dismissed for killing them.
Just because you are baiting them doesn't mean that they will come when you are there
Alot of hours can be spent waiting with not a lot happening.......
All comments appreciated guys. I believe we have to respect the breed as much as want to control it. Don’t get me wrong, whether it’s vermin control, sporting, livestock protection or whatever reason I think they breed can be managed in a respectable fashion. I think if everyone in the shooting community adopted an attitude to shoot everything in sight we are only hurting ourselves and our countryside. To address the issue regarding sustainability, I don’t think the breed will vanish overnight but with technology at the level we didn’t have years ago there is no where to hide..
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