Location of Gunsafes
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reloader54
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kes , there have been many photos claiming to be Charlton Heston's gun room/collection/vault.
here's another one debunked. Charlton Heston's Gun Collection
I can imagine it was rather interesting wherever it is - bit like the 'Templar's Treasure'.
reloader54
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"you betcha" there's quite a few examples of the "ultimate" gun room online. mostly stateside where they are more accepted, over here it would be front page news on every piece of gutter press bog paper going.
here's a few more, none of them being charlton hestons .
personally I think he only ever had this old muzzle loader, probably why he fought so hard to keep it.
Orion
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personally I think he only ever had this old muzzle loader, probably why he fought so hard to keep it.
Even the most most hardened anti gun activist would have trouble trying to disassemble the 2nd Amendment with that period example!
Apart from this idiot being interviewed that is.
reloader54
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Even the most most hardened anti gun activist would have trouble trying to disassemble the 2nd Amendment with that period example!
Apart from this idiot being interviewed that is.
bloke on the right looked "twitchy"?
a well known reaction to lying through your teeth, or talking out of your ass.
Per Orion's earlier post, the guidelines on firearms storage 2019 are clear on what constitutes safe storage. I cannot find any bedroom installation exclusion, but did find a statement that makes very clear that the location of the gun cabinet should not be inaccessible:
reloader54
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my guess would be in the courtroom waiting to give evidence to get a pretty easy conviction.
Sampo
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Doubt it as its still legal and doesn't need to be stored in a gun safe as far as I know. Falls within a grey area as far as I know. The Obsolete Calibre List
I was going to say you wouldn't have a leg to stand on...but I was thinking of Oscar Pistorius.
Alan
reloader54
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Note (i) – The exemption does not apply to ammunition, and the possession of live ammunition suitable for use with an otherwise antique firearm will normally indicate that the firearm is not possessed as a curio or ornament.
Sampo
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Fair point. Always good to get the legal side clarified. Thanks.
Hereford
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This is correct - as soon as you can feed said obsolete calibre (either by reloading or coming by archive ammunition) it needs to go on-ticket.
Sampo
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So does that mean that you can't keep it loaded or need to keep the ammunition locked up, but leave the firearm outside the safe or once its on the ticket, it loses the antique classification and needs to go to the gun safe. Always been curious about these as its way too confusing.
Hereford
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As I understand it, all locked up and on ticket (firearm and ammunition) - that’s assuming you have good reason which for a pistol would be HD - then it would need to be reduced to two shot etc etc etc etc
Sampo
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Thanks for the info. This forum really do let me get answers for questions I have spent hours googling for hours. Appreciate the feedback. I dont have section 5 or antique but have heard people talk about it, so have been curious on the law angle. Good to have it finally clarified.
reloader54
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someone else asked elsewhere, this was the reply
My understanding is that there are pre 1939 firearms which are classed as "antique" and exempt from certification so long as they are held as an "ornament or curio". If they are held or used in any way other than an "ornament or curio" then the full force of the Firearms Act applies, so for example if you were to threaten someone or place a live percussion cap on an old rifled musket it is no longer exempt as an antique and defaults to its Section One status. Then there is obsolete calibre ammunition and to be honest I find this a grey area. Firstly you may not possess obsolete calibre ammunition without a Certificate and the main purpose of designating ammunition as such seems to be to allow certain breech loaders to be held as antiques and some pre 1919 pistols or "historic handguns" which would otherwise be classed as Section 5 weapons to be held and used as part of a collection at designated centres under Section 7. A lot of this law seems to be untested so if you want to do anything with an "obsolete caliber vintage gun" without getting a certificate apart from admire it then I suggest a good lawyer and deep pockets. This would include any modifications which you could not show to have been done for the purpose of conservation or restoration.
this was posted in 2018, there may be tighter restrictions in place now.
My understanding is that there are pre 1939 firearms which are classed as "antique" and exempt from certification so long as they are held as an "ornament or curio". If they are held or used in any way other than an "ornament or curio" then the full force of the Firearms Act applies, so for example if you were to threaten someone or place a live percussion cap on an old rifled musket it is no longer exempt as an antique and defaults to its Section One status. Then there is obsolete calibre ammunition and to be honest I find this a grey area. Firstly you may not possess obsolete calibre ammunition without a Certificate and the main purpose of designating ammunition as such seems to be to allow certain breech loaders to be held as antiques and some pre 1919 pistols or "historic handguns" which would otherwise be classed as Section 5 weapons to be held and used as part of a collection at designated centres under Section 7. A lot of this law seems to be untested so if you want to do anything with an "obsolete caliber vintage gun" without getting a certificate apart from admire it then I suggest a good lawyer and deep pockets. This would include any modifications which you could not show to have been done for the purpose of conservation or restoration.
this was posted in 2018, there may be tighter restrictions in place now.
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