MANKIND'S SUICIDE

[mchughcb]

As long as there are still V8's around after the apocalypse/armageddon then all will be fine, until you need to refuel

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Lol, I've been on that exact road. Its not so bad. As long has you have fuel and water. Its not so bad.

 

[User00036]

Population is probably the big one, if we all had 2 children, then population goes into decline, simple. The message will have to be, to have any more is unsustainable, I'm sure most folk in the world are intelligent enough to understand that, & to have more than that is being greedy. I'll give the Pope a ring! If I treated my farm, like we treat this planet, I wouldn't want to live there after a year. By the way, I think little Greta is fantastic, she tells it like it is, & she's right, she has single handedly raised global awareness, something our leaders have failed miserably to do.

 

[mchughcb]

By buying Musk’s electric cars, you are simply financing his real dream of escaping the inevitable and goofing off to Mars.

In all seriousness those of you that are contemplating buying electric cars need to look at the raw materials that go into the manufacturing of the batteries, where those raw materials come from and how much more of those raw materials will be required to achieve Tesla’s production promise into the future.

We have a massive hypocrisy happening right in the middle of our society with this “electric cars to save the world!” nonsense.

Huge mining complexes will be required to provide the nickel needed for Tesla’s projections. Complexes mining finite resources in difficult places, at great cost, with all the attendant issues with nasty chemicals and processing emissions. Fancy running a heavy equipment mining fleet on batteries? Really?

Enviro-nutter Green Party voters love huge mining complexes, don’t they.

This is why even mining magnates are financing urgent R&D into green hydrogen. They know the whole Tesla / electric car promotion is a hopeless fiasco.

This battery powered car clanger is just one of the useless, knee jerk band aids that will be looked at by history as “yeah, nice try but nah...” History will judge us extremely harshly, because we aren’t going to be able to switch off carbon emissions with anything remotely close to the 2050 doomsday-avoiding prerequisites. Not even close. It’s too late already, for the majority of humans.

The (extraordinary) technologies that will become mainstream this decade are going to make the last 20 years feel like we were hardly moving. But these advances will serve only the young, educated, clever types as their efforts switch from trying to avoid climate catastrophe, to using technology to deal with it and keep them alive. Which if you think about it, is fair enough. They are the ones with the smarts, the nous, so in the hyper-tech age they will be the fittest that survive. Darwin’s principles will perpetuate, just with an army of artificial intelligence to help them on their way.

The rest of us? Enjoy life, try not to worry about it, you’re insignificant and soon enough you’ll be dead.

Maybe you are right and maybe you are completely wrong.

1. For haulage underground there have been electric locos, battery locomotives and trucks for many years. I've used them myself.
2. For places were energy is cheap there has been trolley assist haulage for many years
3. The two major underground OEMs are offering battery truck and loader solutions
4. One major OEM truck manufacturer told me within 2 years the trolly assist haulage will have the engine replaced by a battery
5. Hydrogen fuel cell in mining has been kicking around now for more than 20 years since I was involved with it and has not got far.
6. Electric cars whilst small in numbers far out number any fuel cell cars
7. Electric cars are not going to save squat but they certainly will improve air quality in high density cities.
8. One BS trial by my mate O'Neill in Africa with hydrogen or Mr Forrest banging the table wanting hydrogen does not an industry make.
9. The electric Hyundai Konos whilst not really afforable compared to a busted arse 25 year old hilux will get cheaper and the hilux spare parts will get more expensive.

There are enough technologies off the shelf now to electrify mines if the power costs are cheap enough well before any complete overhaul to a "green hydrogen" powered system. If they need supplement power off the pantograph the technology for large haulers is only a couple of years away.

 

[mchughcb]

I've grown bored of him and his doomsday message

All the solutions I've ever heard offered by the greenies and their ilk would not make a penny's worth of difference to the growing problem, but would make a huge difference to the freedoms I enjoy

I enjoy watching programs about, and talking to, those who have opted for an ''off the grid'' life style

A life style I have a great deal of empathy with

However they always have the world's biggest log pile and hunt to supplement their diet

I don't believe that 8 billion living a similar life style is remotely sustainable

What is on its way, I fear, are mental and physical urban and city prisons for us all

All in the name of the environment so that's alright then ?!?

This is the same team that startled the walruses off the cliff with a drone and then claimed it was due to overcrowding due to global warming.

 

[kenbro]

I'd happily get an electric truck when they come out but then there's the argument what happens with the battery when it's done with

And how green was it to make in the first place?
Ken.

 

[slider]

are you gonna volunteer first

there in lies the problem.......

 

[kenbro]

There's been volcano activity forest fires and fossil fuel being burned for millennium dinosaurs running a muck dropping turds every where gasses coming from all over and the closest you got to recycling was Fred Flintstones bone knife and fork! but all jokes aside we all do our bit in some way or another except for the big industries that pretend to

Along with pop stars/ Tv and film personalities and sports people.
When criticised they often say we’ve done such and such and offset the carbon emissions, but even if they weren’t lying, at best they are only neutral And not bringing emissions down. (Think F1)
Ken.

 

[mchughcb]

Sir David, telling porkies again.

 

[kenbro]

We have become too successful at managing our own health and unwitting natures way of keeping population in check.

The only way out is to cull 90% of the population. I suspect nature will find a way eventually.

Will you need a HSC1 to do that?
Ken.

 

[kenbro]

Myself, I’m going to buy some T bone steaks at the local grocer tomorrow, they are on sale for $4.99 a pound. Gonna fry them in butter while downing about 3 fingers of Dewars.

I like your style.
Cheers,Ken.

 

[JTO]

It's all about how many of us humans are on the planet.

Vastly reducing our population levels will be the eventual answer. But there again, there's countries, if not continents that wouldn't do that. Perhaps the planet's eco-system will be so damaged that the amount of humans will naturally diminish and so hopefully give the planet time to regenerate.

Our local Green Party councilor has five children!
It's time to be proactive, not reactive.

 

[liongeorge]

I think it’s really important for parents not to transfer miserablism on to their children. Your children are growing up in the UK and not in Mali or Yemen. Why feel sorry for them? If they are smart and apply themselves there will be plenty of opportunities for children born into families that can provide a solid beginning and good education. In just the same way that the generations that have followed history’s horror stories have made the best of the situation and flourished.

I take it that you are not living on the coastal plain in Bangladesh struggling to feed your eight malnourished children meagre gruel? A top tip is for the educated middle-class to force their children to pull their heads out of Facebook / Instagram / Tiktok etc and sort their futures out. It helps if parents don’t whine about how dire their future is going to be, God knows the average teenager is having a tough time seeing light at the end of the tunnel right now. It’s almost as if we are conditioning them to die young.

Our kids need to be told to get on with the business of life come what may, and stop looking for so many reasons to be miserable and pointing the fingers of blame. Their biggest problem is the self-serving crap they are consuming on their devices, its like they are wilfully participating in their own brainwashing!

Those that adapt first, will win. More Darwinism.

I have kept my thoughts to myself and hope my kids don't read the SD! TBH they are very possitive types and should adapt well to whatever is thrown at them and there is very little negative climate crisis type conversation in our house. In fact it is the elephant in the room we avoid talking about as no good can come of it.

Just because they don't live in Bangladesh doesn't mean it isn't going to be a total **** storm here.

 

[JTO]

The only way out is to cull 90% of the population. I suspect nature will find a way eventually.

You are not alone in your thinking:

"The ecological crisis, in short, is the population crisis. Cut the population by 90% and there aren't enough people left to do a great deal of ecological damage.” - Mikhail Gorbachev​

 

[slider]

You are not alone in your thinking:

"The ecological crisis, in short, is the population crisis. Cut the population by 90% and there aren't enough people left to do a great deal of ecological damage.” - Mikhail Gorbachev​

Not that I am suggesting we actually do cull the population - but too many people most definitely are the problem

 

[bowji john]

Over population is largely the problem but W can’t go there

It is a bit like the guy who has dropped his wallet and is looking for it under a streetlight

A passerby asks

Have lost it around here?

Oh no says the man

I lost it somewhere over there, but I can’t see over there

That is our approach to the environment

 

[User00035]

Spot on.

 

[rab19]

Studying Demographics, Natural Finite Resources, etc as part of my SRUC course. Seemingly everything is going to be hunky dory in the long run !!!!!!

Not too convinced with some of the reading I have been doing and think we are up sh*t street

 

[mchughcb]

The 12th billion human will not be born? I read that about 200 billion humans have already been born to get us here today.

 

[Reloader708]

Not only are there too many of us but the ones that are breeding are the ones that shouldn't be!
We're devolving as a species and it's being subsidised by the state!
Mr and mrs slob have never worked a day between them, hes been taking prescription methadone for the past fifteen years and she's pregnant with number eight....all cost covered by the tax man!
If you were to apply the same principles that we do when managing deer, there would be some busy work to do.
Every single problem the planet faces is made exponentially worse with numbers, but that's all dangerous talk and should never be mentioned.
Just keep putting your recycling out and it might just all go away.

 

[User00035]

I don't see this plateauing theory as a cause for hope. So we get to 10 or 11 billion and then level out? What's to celebrate in that? It's heIlish already at 8 billion. IMO 2 billion is the absolute maximum number of human beings this planet can sustain.

I loathe the way this subject is always discussed from the perspective of what industrial human societies desire and what they think they can get away with, as though that's the only parameter. "There's still room for more yet. We can shove a few more in here, build another megalopolis over there. We'll eat insects, build wind turbines, desalinate the oceans, irrigate the deserts, mine the moon. We'll live in urban termite mounds communicating feverishly [and pointlessly] through screens about nothing". Really...?

The vanity and self-centredness of it all turns my stomach. What about other forms of life FFS? What about wilderness? It isn't "empty" or unused. It's busier and employed to better purpose than anything we've created. We have no moral right to claim dominion over this planet. It isn't there for our convenience. We have non right to colonise it, monopolise it and strip it bare and turn it all of it exclusively to our purpose, and then celebrate the ruin we've wrought as though it were some sort of perverted evolutionary achievement. There is not a human being ever born who was worth any more than a single blade of grass.

I'm out of this thread now. It makes me too angry an too despairing.