Marsh Harrier ‘shot’!

[Orion]

...... or at least exhibiting ‘the kind of injury that shows that the bird had been shot’.

BBC Clairvoyance at it’s Best

Errr ..... in a photograph taken earlier because by the time anyone got to the scene the bird had flown.

So the super sleuthing by the reserve staff has arrived at that conclusion without (yet again) any evidence, and plastered it all over the mainstream and social media.

Watch this space as the desk warrior ‘conservationists’ wind themselves into an anti-shooting frenzy by 12th August.

 

[reloader54]

by that same "reasoning" It's entirely possible c, packham is a paedophile,, as I turned on a television years ago and there was a blond haired man who talked funny surrounded by underage children and you all know what that means.
I recall he even works for the same organisation.

just an observation.

 

[deerstalker.308]

Know the reserve well and know that there are also overhead power lines crossing the nature reserve, that injury could just have easily been caused by a wire strike but I guess we will never know seeing as the birds vanished.... sad either way but a bit of a rush to jump to a conclusion really.

 

[Dexter]

I have just had the Managing Editor of the EDP24 Tim Williams, phone me in reply to my email. WOW! He must be Chris Packman's PA. "they know more than you do" "The dog walker could see that it had been shot" etc etc etc. I asked him if there was any evidence but it was like talking to a brick wall! Talking over me and failing to answer any of my questions about how they came to the conclusion that it had been shot and critically wounded without the bird or witnesses to the shooting.
The people in the office were amazed that I didn't swear at him despite him very nearly calling me a rude name!

I read out the very first line in his report
A rare bird of prey has been shot and critically injured near a Norfolk nature reserve.

Laughable! The critically injured bird looks like it's walked off despite Mr Williams stating to me that it's obviously dead? How does that work?

The Hawk and Owl Trust were also expert witnesses apparently although they didn't see the bird at all!

 

[Orion]

I have just had the Managing Editor of the EDP24 Tim Williams, phone me in reply to my email. WOW! He must be Chris Packman's PA. "they know more than you do" "The dog walker could see that it had been shot" etc etc etc. I asked him if there was any evidence but it was like talking to a brick wall! Talking over me and failing to answer any of my questions about how they came to the conclusion that it had been shot and critically wounded without the bird or witnesses to the shooting.
The people in the office were amazed that I didn't swear at him despite him very nearly calling me a rude name!

I read out the very first line in his report
A rare bird of prey has been shot and critically injured near a Norfolk nature reserve.

Laughable! The critically injured bird looks like it's walked off despite Mr Williams stating to me that it's obviously dead? How does that work?

The Hawk and Owl Trust were also expert witnesses apparently although they didn't see the bird at all!

Thanks for following it up and letting us know.

That’s about as far as we’re likely to get with any of these ‘shooting’ allegations I’m afraid. If it doesn’t fit with their pre-determined narrative, then there’s no reasoning with any of them. Might as well be talking to the wall for all the good it does. Sadly we’re likely to see much more of this lying tosh as they ramp up their attacks on shooting in general.

 

[VSS]

by that same "reasoning" It's entirely possible c, packham is a paedophile,, as I turned on a television years ago and there was a blond haired man who talked funny surrounded by underage children and you all know what that means.
I recall he even works for the same organisation.

just an observation.

Funny you should say that, as I was just thinking to myself yesterday that CP's constant insinuation and unsubstantiated media slur against farmers and landowners (of which I am one) would be about on a level with me starting an online rumour that he's a paedophile.

 

[reloader54]

Funny you should say that, as I was just thinking to myself yesterday that CP's constant insinuation and unsubstantiated media slur against farmers and landowners (of which I am one) would be about on a level with me starting an online rumour that he's a paedophile.

guilt by association perhaps,,, just like all his slurs and unfounded accusations about anyone who dares to question his ideology.

 

[Orion]

Anyone else had a good look at the photograph that sparked this off?

The wound is on the front of the outer joint of the bird’s wing, believe it’s the joint between the ulna/radius and the alula, which would be more or less where you would expect it to sustain damage on one side or the other if it were to fly into something without a full body impact.

 

[deerstalker.308]

Anyone else had a good look at the photograph that sparked this off?

The wound is on the front of the outer joint of the bird’s wing, believe it’s the joint between the ulna/radius and the alula, which would be more or less where you would expect it to sustain damage on one side or the other if it were to fly into something without a full body impact.

As I was suggesting with ref the overhead cables on site. Many moons ago they tried to get the cables buried running through the reserve to prevent air strikes but this clearly never happened, I would put money in this being what happened, not least because the surrounding land isn’t intensively managed for game shooting, so if it’s hit the deck there I’d think it’s far more likely to have happened “naturally” so to speak.

 

[Dexter]

As I was suggesting with ref the overhead cables on site. Many moons ago they tried to get the cables buried running through the reserve to prevent air strikes but this clearly never happened, I would put money in this being what happened, not least because the surrounding land isn’t intensively managed for game shooting, so if it’s hit the deck there I’d think it’s far more likely to have happened “naturally” so to speak.

I would put good money on you being correct. I even told Mr Tim Williams that a wire strike was far more likely (I wish I had known that there were overhead cables near by which you can see on Google Earth

NR21 9GN​

all along the Eastern side of the reserve) but he wasn't going to be swayed because the 'experts' who have told him that the bird was shot!

 

[Tom D]

So they saw a bird from a distance, then it flew off and they assumed it had been shot? Is that what’s happened?

 

[reloader54]

So they saw a bird from a distance, then it flew off and they assumed it had been shot? Is that what’s happened?

highly possible, but much more useful to the campaign to suggest there's a gang of rogue marauding bird of prey killers systematically moving around bird reserves shooting and trapping anything with a hooked beak. If you don't have to take my word for it,,, just ask packham'

 

[Orion]

So they saw a bird from a distance, then it flew off and they assumed it had been shot? Is that what’s happened?

In a nutshell, yes ........... apart from the fact that all those commenting on it’s condition didn’t actually see it, and they didn’t assume, they ‘knew’ it had been shot. Apart from those minor points that’s in essence what happened.

 

[Tom D]

Jesus!

You can see a bit of blood on its wing but that injury could have been sustained in so many ways. I run an ecological consulting business, we do bat and other protected species surveys. I’m staggered by the lack of professionalism shown by the ‘experts’ in these cases. If we behaved like that with SNH or in a court case we’d be laughing stocks. What happened to the scientific method?

 

[reloader54]

Jesus!

You can see a bit of blood on its wing but that injury could have been sustained in so many ways. I run an ecological consulting business, we do bat and other protected species surveys. I’m staggered by the lack of professionalism shown by the ‘experts’ in these cases. If we behaved like that with SNH or in a court case we’d be laughing stocks. What happened to the scientific method?

if you listen,,[as painful as that is] to packham or read his comments you will notice he uses the terms scientific, evidence, irrefutable proof, etc,rtc,
persecution, quite emotively, however has very little if anything to back it up apart from innuendo,rumours,and false accusations. I don't see him as a professional anything except a clever bullshiner with a vindictive narcissistic trait.

 

[User00025]

highly possible, but much more useful to the campaign to suggest there's a gang of rogue marauding bird of prey killers systematically moving around bird reserves shooting and trapping anything with a hooked beak. If you don't have to take my word for it,,, just ask packham'

Oh sod, you have found out about my gang of nasty grouse moor keepers that go around killing eagles in twos and as many birds of prey as possible. .For goodness sake dont tell Messrs Packham and Avery or they will try to stop us grouse shooting.
And I am afraid that's about as idiotic as these crazy pair of so called conservationists are. Most of these weirdo type bird men do not have a grain of countryside sense between their ludicrous earholes, and should not be allowed out only under licence.

 

[tozzybum]

Trouble is as we know the very anti "aunty" bbc takes all cliss says as gospel carved in stone by Moses on the mount .When he lies through his back teeth and gets caught no retraction or apology is needed.
As st cliss of Packham is infallable us mere mortals must have serious mental issuses critiscising such a holy prophet

 

[Frank Homes]

Has any of our shooting organisations appeared in public to refute these allegations or at least ask for a more measured,evidence based approach?

F

 

[User00025]

Has any of our shooting organisations appeared in public to refute these allegations or at least ask for a more measured,evidence based approach?

F

Ha,ha,ha

 

[FrenchieBoy]

The photo shown in the report from the link provided does not (IMHO) show enough detail to say that the bird had in fact been shot or if it might have been a wire strike injury so it would be difficult for anyone to say conclusively what had caused the injury! They also fail to say how far from the overhead power lines the injured bird was seen and photographed. It also says that when staff got to the spot all that was left was a few feathers so how can they claim that the bird had been shot without any proof whatsoever? Very clever anti shooting reporting me thinks!!!!
It might be interesting to know if the dog walker had any experience of shooting related or wire strike injuries - I suspect not!
Being as there were only a few feathers left maybe the dog ate the bird to destroy any evidence!