Message to the minister

Conor O'Gorman

Well-Known Member
Please keep submitting letters to your MP or to the Policing Minister to raise your concerns about plans to consult on changes to shotgun licensing rules. We have featured the letter below in this week's BASC Live newsletter to subscribers.

 
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How many section 1 certificates are in england and wales? (i assume Scotland is not inckuded in the scope of the consultation?)
How many Section 2 likewise

Average wait time for a FAC variation?

number of people directly employed in the recreational shooting industry.

Current value of shooting to the exchequer?

Thanks.
 
Also it would be useful to know the amount of man hours involved in policing firearms lice sing...much of which isn't efficiently allocated.
 
How about helping us with the content.

How many section 1 certificates are in england and wales? (i assume Scotland is not inckuded in the scope of the consultation?)
How many Section 2 likewise

Average wait time for a FAC variation?

number of people directly employed in the recreational shooting industry.

Current value of shooting to the exchequer?

Thanks.
Statistics: Firearm and shotgun certificates, April 2024 to March 2025 for England and Wales can be found here.

145,306 firearm certificates on issue as at 31 March 2025
482,612 shotgun certificates on issue as at 31 March 2025

As at 31 March 2025, 496,904 people held either a firearm certificate, a shotgun certificate, or both.
 
Dear Mr Perkins
We have corresponded on shooting issues previously.
I am very concerned by the proposal to make shotguns section one. I am both a section 2 and section 1 certificate holder.
Those of us with legally held firearms are the most law abiding members of society. I couple of speeding tickets alone could lead to a licensing authority to question my suitability to possess firearms.
The security required are extensive and assessed prior to grant and on each renewal. Consequently theft of legally held firearms are extremely low. There subseqent use in crime I believe virtually non existent.
Therefore what reason is there to increase the license requirement.
Certificate holders need a letter from their doctor, two referees of professional standing, a criminal record declaration and check.
Many shotguns section 2 are used for vermin control on farms and clay pigeon shooting.
For section one you need to prove a need, and signed permission by land owners.
I have held a shotgun certificate since I was 15. 55 years now.
Police firearms licencing departments are under staffed and under funded, Derbyshire is good compared to many but making shotguns section 1 will increase the amount of work immensely leading to greater delays in grants and renewal.
Far more unchecked people get a driving licence that lasts for decades no checks unless they come to the attention of the police.
Firearms could move from 5 years to 10 years unless offences are committed, or GP reports an issue in fact rather like a DVLA system.
With section 1 the police decide what firearms I can have how many and how much ammunition I can hold.
The shooting community puts 2 billion pounds per annum into the economy.
The current system is not perfect but it's safe. Why change it for the worse.
I urge you not to support these changes and support shooters and supporting industry.
Thank you
 
Liveonce said Q "Current value of shooting to the exchequer?" UQ

I believe Liveonce is on the money here...literally. The financials of all recreational shooting/hunting in the country makes for a powerful argument to support the cause of fighting against harsh/over burdensome/unreasonable regulations.

My examples - I can only demonstrate this by using Australian dollar expenditure/employment over the whole of oz.

Economic value Au.
The total annual economic value of recreational shooting and hunting in Australia is an estimated $2.4 billion, with $0.8 billion from direct spending and $1.6 billion from associated flow-on economic activity.

Then there is the employment created from recreational shooting/hunting in Australia.

Employment Au
Recreational shooting and hunting activities in Australia support an estimated total of 3,300 net jobs or, by another measure of gross economic footprint, over 19,000 jobs (both direct and indirect/flow-on).

Then using UK financials and job numbers compare these statistics across the other industries eg farming.

In my experience most if not all politicians [and shooters] are not aware of the tremendous economic value and jobs created from our recreational shooting/hunting. When the pollies and their bureaucracies are presented with all the numbers it takes them totally by surprise.

Anyway - just my thought as an outsider.
 
I think the cost side of these proposals need to mentioned greatly. If it’s going to cost an absolute bomb in extra man hours and the costs of it ect then that’s a good bit added to the argument for why it’s pointless as it would question the legitimacy of the proposal of of thought
 
I started writing to mine but as I opened with "i think you're an arsé. I've never voted for your party in my life & never ever would. I disagree with about everything you say. But hey, can you help me out...??" I thought better of it!! 😆😆
 
In 2024, discharge of firearms mostly involved rival criminal groups or individuals related to the drugs trade, territorial disputes, debt, or personal feuds, as well as in revenge for previous assaults. This results in periodic escalation of violence in local areas, although firearms crime in the UK overall remains amongst the lowest in the world.

Legally-held firearms are rarely used criminally by the lawful owner. However, in 2024, around one quarter of criminal firearm discharges remained unrelated to criminal rivalries and were predominantly associated with illegal hunting/poaching, the unlawful destruction of pets and other animals, as well as domestic violence incidents, including murder and murder-suicides.

Firearms certificate holders and registered firearms dealers are highly unlikely to be involved in SOC, and legally-held firearms and ammunition are not often diverted to the criminal market by complicit certificate holders or dealers.

 
See table 7, Offences involving the use of weapons: data tables - Office for National Statistics

Interesting reading. It does not specify whether any of the firearms used were legally or illegally held.
A relatively safe conclusion would be that the sawn- off shotguns and handguns were not legally held.

Fatal injuries by rifles = 2 (I can’t find the info any more but do seem to remember that this was a murder-suicide pact).
Fatal injuries by long-barrelled shotgun = 5

Whilst any death by firearm is tragic, statistically irrelevant.

The table shows where the focus of policing and crime prevention needs to be, but that is not as easy as penalising legitimate users.
 
I think the cost side of these proposals need to mentioned greatly. If it’s going to cost an absolute bomb in extra man hours and the costs of it ect then that’s a good bit added to the argument for why it’s pointless as it would question the legitimacy of the proposal of of thought
indeed but removing we have moved to full cost recovery for the cost of issuing gun certificates, so they will not see cost as a hurdle. just double or treble the fee to cover it.
 
Letter writing has the capacity to make the sender feel less guilt-ridden when confronting the realisation that their deliberations and effort is all for nothing, so go right ahead and bombard MP's - of all persuasions - with your concerns.

Keeping a record of such endeavor is highly recommended if only to silence those who may seek to criticise your perceived negativity a lifetime hence, and on some obscure dark web-hosted hunting forum!
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