Metal Detecting Coin ID

[Camdig]

Having purchased a wee set up I have been raking the plough fields, found this coin and struggling to get an ID so any thoughts.
The star and moon are very interesting also the writing, I have tried AI coin apps and they are hopeless, I believe it's bronze.

 

[enfieldspares]

Is it "truck money"? Conder tokens I'd never heard of. But here's a link too.

Found in a field suggests agricultural workers' truck money?

British Tokens |

coincraft.com

Conder token - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

O’Brien Coin Guide: Truck/Scrip Tokens of Ballyglunin Estate, Co Galway

Introduction: Perhaps one of the most dispicable practises of the so-called landlord classes in Ireland (and elsewhere) was the ‘truck’ system whereby employees were sometimes partly pa…

oldcurrencyexchange.com

 

[hammo]

Try and find out who your local FLO - finds liason officer - is, they will get it ID'd if you let them have it for investigation.
Looks really interesting!

 

[Camdig]

@enfieldspares Absolutely no idea, it measures 30mm diameter and has a little bit of weight to it

 

[Camdig]

Try and find out who your local FLO - finds liason officer - is, they will get it ID'd if you let them have it for investigation.
Looks really interesting!

Will give that a try next week.
I found this lead saddler badge am presuming fell of horse wear back in the day.

 

[Cottis]

It is almost certainly a 17th century copper trading token. Issued in times when currency was not always available to circulate. Tokens were issued by merchants and employers, often to agricultural workers to allow them to buy beer and food in the locality.

I have not seen that specific token before but I have seen Irish trade tokens with stars on them, so that is a possibility.

I have dug over a 100,000 targets in my time with a metal detector. Tokens come up a good amount. I know it looks pretty knackered but yours is in fairly ok condition considering it has spent 3 centuries rotting in soil. I would guess the soil quality is half decent and potentially quite free draining. You will find various George milled coppers and the sort in far worse condition than that.

Lead tokens often pop up as well as lead bag seals. Show up as high conductors and get you excited before they surface and you groan. Marginally better than those annoying cow mastitis tubes. God I find so many of those damned things. Farmers and vets must literally have spent their entire days just littering the countryside.

Best of luck on your future digs.

 

[Camdig]

It is almost certainly a 17th century copper trading token. Issued in times when currency was not always available to circulate. Tokens were issued by merchants and employers, often to agricultural workers to allow them to buy beer and food in the locality.

I have not seen that specific token before but I have seen Irish trade tokens with stars on them, so that is a possibility.

I have dug over a 100,000 targets in my time with a metal detector. Tokens come up a good amount. I know it looks pretty knackered but yours is in fairly ok condition considering it has spent 3 centuries rotting in soil. I would guess the soil quality is half decent and potentially quite free draining. You will find various George milled coppers and the sort in far worse condition than that.

Lead tokens often pop up as well as lead bag seals. Show up as high conductors and get you excited before they surface and you groan. Marginally better than those annoying cow mastitis tubes. God I find so many of those damned things. Farmers and vets must literally have spent their entire days just littering the countryside.

Best of luck on your future digs.

Thank you, sounds the most plausible description yet, you were right it was very stoney soil with heavy clay sub i found it not that far from an old Toll house too.
I have only had it for a month or so and just starting to get used to the sounds, I have found a lead bag sealer and lots of lumps of lead, I laughed at the mastitis tubes having got excited about a few yesterday.

 

[Flash G 74]

Hello, Nice find Camdig, A token of some sort and maybe connected to the Toll house, Check with the FLO , Have found quite a few tokens connected to a local shop going back to the 1700s although smaller in diameter, Let us know how you get on,

 

[Taff]

Lead tokens often pop up as well as lead bag seals. Show up as high conductors and get you excited before they surface and you groan. Marginally better than those annoying cow mastitis tubes. God I find so many of those damned things. Farmers and vets must literally have spent their entire days just littering the countryside.
We had trouble with illegal detectors, so went to the local pistol club, and mixed thousands of rimfire cases in with the fertiliser, problem ended.

 

[Sol]

Lead tokens often pop up as well as lead bag seals. Show up as high conductors and get you excited before they surface and you groan. Marginally better than those annoying cow mastitis tubes. God I find so many of those damned things. Farmers and vets must literally have spent their entire days just littering the countryside.

My father moans about them 24/7 seems to be a common thing across detectors... or soft drink cans in fields that overall have pretty sparse signals so your digging any meh signals.

 

[Smellydog]

Will give that a try next week.
I found this lead saddler badge am presuming fell of horse wear back in the day.

It's a good job you found that, might of choked a partridge to death!!

 

[Flash G 74]

My father moans about them 24/7 seems to be a common thing across detectors... or soft drink cans in fields that overall have pretty sparse signals so your digging any meh signals.

Hello, Unfortunate it is par for the course with metal detecting, When i started in the 1980s few detectors had good discrimination control but the word most spoken was Dig Dig Dig

 

[finnbear270]

Join this site, & you will get an immediate ID and other info on it.

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[Flash G 74]

Join this site, & you will get an immediate ID and other info on it.

Identify Finds & Detector Advise

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Hello, I am on that forum although i do very little detecting these days, Make sure you do a few posts monthly or they will close account, What detector have you ??

 

[finnbear270]

Hello, I am on that forum although i do very little detecting these days, Make sure you do a few posts monthly or they will close account, What detector have you ??

Minelab CTX3030

 

[Camdig]

Hello, I am on that forum although i do very little detecting these days, Make sure you do a few posts monthly or they will close account, What detector have you ??

I have a Minelab X Terra Elite, my wife bought me a bundle to get started.

 

[finnbear270]

I have a Minelab X Terra Elite, my wife bought me a bundle to get started.

Should do alright with that.