Moderated .410

[leebut]

Hi Guys

A mate of mine lives close to a farm which has a rat problem, he gets the rats running through his garden, he’s tried air rifle but the issue is they’re a quick moving target so it’s pretty much hit or a miss

during the daylight hours he’s no issue dispatching the rats with a .410 but he’s over run with them at nights an due to the neighbours a standard .410 is too noisy, what’s everyone’s experiences with a moderated .410 how quiet are they??

Regards

Lee

 

[nick.308]

ive not used subsonic ammo but non subsonic its similar to a .22lr high velocity from what i can remember

 

[Alantoo]

I have a Mossberg 500 .410 Hushpower...I haven't measured it and it is very subjective, but I would have put the sound level with subsonic cartridges around the .22lr HV, but louder than the HV with the standard .410 cartridges. The .22 HV has a sharper crack and the .410 more of a boom.

One of the full length barrel moderator versions would be quieter presumably.

The full length 20gauge Hushpower is not much louder than the short moderator Mossberg .410 when both have standard cartridges.

It might be worth contacting the makers for the relative levels, they probably have done some tests.

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At night I pick off the rats under the bird table and in the poultry run with the FAC air rifle and a Yukon Photon...but when a new rat family are out feeding together I have used the .410 for a few at a time.

Alan

 

[Mr. Gain]

I also have a .410 Mossberg Hushpower. I don't think it's any louder than my moderated FAC air rifle, though the sound is more complex. I use Eley 3" subsonics. If you have enough space to be use a .410 and your neighbours have double glazing, I don't think it would be a bad tool for the job. An air rifle would be a better one, but you'd need to find a way to get the rats to stop where you wanted them. Nutella rubbed into the crevices in the bark on a log from the woodpile can be worth trying.

 

[the_greenman]

I use lyalvale magnasonics out of my mossberg hushpower. Punchy and much quieter than standard 3inch carts. But if you want almost air rifle quiet use some 2inch carts through it. Just reduce the range.

 

[shakey jake]

report the farm to eho, they arent aloud to have a rat problem, keep complaining till they change their ways. tunnel traps would be a safer and cheaper bet

 

[Malxwal]

@sauer

 

[Overlay]

Put some crushed wheat and coffee grounds in a cross a yard across on the main run area just before dusk it will eadily slow them enough to shoot with a air rifle, it works very well and drink the coffee made while your waiting it works a treat, using a 410 you'll only manage a few due to the noise they aren't that quiet to be honest

 

[meles meles]

A Breton Gaucher Phantom, fully moderated, bolt action .410 is exceedingly shush. We use ours around a farm and have despatched rodents and corvids at up to 20 yards (usually closer) without anyone else working nearby hearing it. The horses pricked their ears up and looked around but that was all they did. Out of doors it's a dull thump, rather like someone dropping a book. Indoors there is a little more reverberation and echo, but not the sort of noise most people would associate with a gun shot, more like something being dropped. We use 3" subsonic Eley cartridges.

 

[leebut]

report the farm to eho, they arent aloud to have a rat problem, keep complaining till they change their ways. tunnel traps would be a safer and cheaper bet

He’s no issue dispatching them it’s all at night unfortunately when they run through his land, hence why he wants something quiet

 

[Idlemusket]

I have an old 3 shot B/A Norcia that I slipped one of those clamp on after market moderators on and have fired out of a bedroom window, wife heard nothing and she was in next room but then she ignores me most of the time anyway
so perhaps not a scientific test. But joking aside its quieter than an air rifle with 2 inch, about the same with 2.5 and noisy with 3 inch magnums

 

[keeper]

Shooting rats with a 410 isn't practical really, ok for playing about but it would never do the job of a good pcp, bloody expensive too I may add. Now I am aware that getting good rat bait is not easy anymore for farmers due to the tightening of access.

But what are really good are those electric rat traps, baited up with a paste bait. Expensive to buy some £40 each but there are places where I have to use them. easy to dispose the dead rat too.

 

[Cris]

What I have noticed with my moderated 410 is that when you have buildings or trees close by the sound still echoes off making it much louder. When in an open space all I can here is the spring and pin in the action. Sometimes wonder if it gone off.....

 

[Mungo]

Hi Guys

A mate of mine lives close to a farm which has a rat problem, he gets the rats running through his garden, he’s tried air rifle but the issue is they’re a quick moving target so it’s pretty much hit or a miss

during the daylight hours he’s no issue dispatching the rats with a .410 but he’s over run with them at nights an due to the neighbours a standard .410 is too noisy, what’s everyone’s experiences with a moderated .410 how quiet are they??

Regards

Lee

I’ve shot rats under a bird feeder in a suburban garden with a moderated .410.

Small garden - no more than 20m wide, 30m long, surrounded on all sides by houses.

No one noticed, let alone complained.

I shot through the window of a spare bedroom, which may have helped.

 

[User00036]

.410 is a poachers gun, good for pheasants just above your head in a thorn bush, but bloody useless for anything else. once shot at a rat 20 yds away, big cloud of dust all round it. Rat ran off. Sold the .410 after that, & bought Weirach HW 100 .177 air rifle, bloody lethal, killed more critters & food with this than any other gun on the farm. Even killed a fox with it!

 

[shakey jake]

.410 is a poachers gun, good for pheasants just above your head in a thorn bush, but bloody useless for anything else. once shot at a rat 20 yds away, big cloud of dust all round it. Rat ran off. Sold the .410 after that, & bought Weirach HW 100 air rifle, bloody lethal, killed more critters & food with this than any other gun on the farm. Even killed a fox with it!

alot of stuff may beg to differ

 

[User00036]

Differ all you like, you will wound more than you will kill with a 410. IMO.

 

[MacPherson]

410’s used responsibly with good cartridges and within their limitations are very effective.
I use a moderated Mossberg for all my pigeon shooting and 90% of my pest control.
I regularly shoot 100 bird days at pigeons and definitely not wound more than I kill.

If you are wounding more than you kill, you need to get lessons, change the cartridges or stop shooting at things out with the cartridge and gun combination effective range.

 

[phillips321]

a quick moving target so it’s pretty much hit or a miss

Peanut butter, they'll stop to sample it and can't run off with it.

 

[Kevgun]

Recently shot over 800 Rats and the best way is .22lr with a thermal scope, I do this on a regular basis, helping a friend sometimes with his pest control business, I have tried the Silenced .410 and it's effective to a point, but once the rats sus the light or lamp it becomes very tricky, I have an Old baikel with a Thermal Scope I sometimes use when shooting on maize crops, this works ok as well, a PCP with a Pard is good, but again they soon sus out the IR light it is difficult.
I have tried various ways over the years, but the most effective is a Thermal rifle scope on either a decent PCP or a .22lr with subsonics, it's expensive but by far the best way. But the moderated .410 is another tool we use for rabbit control around farms and so on, we use it from the back of a quadbike, it's very effective and good fun, I don't seem to wound too many with it either, sensible distances 25 -30 yard and the appropriate cartridge makes it a good quiet tool.