if the original post was partially aimed at me as i put an ad on for my mates swarovski i can assure you he doesnt have a computer he doesnt even have a landline!and wouldnt know what to do with a computer even if he did have access to one but he can shoot very well i may add maybe cos he doesnt get distracted by seeing whats on the stalking directory!ps his embarassing swarovski is still for sale if you are interested personally i wouldnt touch that crap ill stick with my tasco 4x20

preferably the Toc H version.