Neilson Sonic lead free bullets

Section 5 covers black powder only ie explosive! Most powders for reloading rifles are classed as propellants! I think I'm right in saying here that you only need to show your license to prove you own the caliber of rifle for the propellants needed!
Anyone buying explosive powders I'm guessing would have on there license how much to buy and hold at a time like the bad old days of buying and holding expanding ammo section 5! Could be wrong here I stand to be corrected ! As I don't and never have bought or needed explosive powders!
 
I have bought plenty tubs of propellants in my time thou!
They used to say lock your propellants away in your safe , now they recommend you don't in case of house fires ! I'm guessing with explosive powders under section 5 they have to be lockd away! As if they in or outside they still go bang 💥
 
Section 5 covers black powder only ie explosive! Most powders for reloading rifles are classed as propellants! I think I'm right in saying here that you only need to show your license to prove you own the caliber of rifle for the propellants needed!
Anyone buying explosive powders I'm guessing would have on there license how much to buy and hold at a time like the bad old days of buying and holding expanding ammo section 5! Could be wrong here I stand to be corrected ! As I don't and never have bought or needed explosive powders!
Did you read the link I posted ! ! ! ! ! ! !
 
I have bought plenty tubs of propellants in my time thou!
They used to say lock your propellants away in your safe , now they recommend you don't in case of house fires ! I'm guessing with explosive powders under section 5 they have to be lockd away! As if they in or outside they still go bang 💥
Why do you finish every sentence with an ! ! ! !
 
The irony, just like lead 😆

I'm not a copper evangelist, I also don't shoot copper but I don't think its Ironic.
There is no safe levels for lead in the body. Whereas copper and water would be considered non toxic to a point.

That being said, I dont think ingesting a microscopic lead fragment is going to poison you. Maybe if you eat copious amounts of it every day for your entire life. I think lead poisoning is much more common when for example, you inhale lead fumes as opposed to eating and then passing a piece of lead.

A lot of the anti lead campaign is driven by welfare of other wildlife like raptors and waterfowl. Its also driven by game dealers who are afraid the product wont sell commercially if shot with lead. Realistically, game dealers are probably the main driving factor. People need to shoot and offload excess animals and have no other choice but to do what the GD says
 
If it hurst cost wise then stop doing it if contracting and you can’t make it pay then stop.
But if your wanting to practice why use copper cheap enough practice ammo can be purchased still legally anyhow it’s not meant as an argument and something I don’t want this topic like others ended up as one.On another note if the game dealers are demanding it then they need to allow a little price increase to ease the pain reloading my own in 243 and 308 in lead free it certainly doesn’t cost anywhere near £5 per round mind haven’t really added up the cost as tbh it doesn’t really bother me but out of interest in just about to do so watch this space lol
Practice is best performed with the exact load used for the most critical application.
 
I have heard good reports of the Neilson Sonic bullets from very credible sources. I have concerns that the few but relatively large petals will carry large amounts of energy into the tissues and increase the risk of rumen perforations. The same can be said about the other fragmenting designs such as the Virtus Merlin and Eagle. And in our limited experience with the Virtus this concern is real but they do work exceptionally well, albeit with greater meat damage than the mainly non-fragmenting designs like the Barnes. What is clear is that there are no such things as the perfect bullet for all occasions and if you want something for use at long range then meat damage in close might be an issue. This was the same for lead bullets incidentally.
With regard to copper toxicity there are two main points. The first is that copper is a trace element that is needed for the mammalian body to function optimally. In high doses it can be toxic but at low levels it is beneficial. The second is that copper breaks into a few large fragments rather than hundreds of tiny to microscopic fragments which massively increases the surface area and therefore bioavailability.
All can say, is the nielson hunts work extremely effectively, leave limited damage, but so far drop everything I have used them on in both 6mm and 6.5mm, cant recomentd them enough.
 
Spoke to Ben today, it appears Nielson have withdrawn from U.K, but I have plenty. Dissapointing, but all I ever heard was negativity surrounding them as they didnt look like a "mans" hunting bullet. Unfortionately peoples perception surrounding BC got in the way, despite the fact they work flawlesly out to 300 plus. So I guess sales didnt support them staying here, but still a valid bullet.
 
I've got some of these bullets. Would like to load up some in the 223rem 50grain. Anyone got any load data coal etc? Thanks Keith
 
I was listening to the Deercast podcast episode with Ben Heath of Deerbox which was, in parts at least very interesting.

He talked about the fact that he imports the Neilson bullets, copper with a brass wedge, has anyone had much experience with the brand in the field?

Discussing this with a stalking pal @JH83 we thought it was interesting that a venison dealer was voting for a round that is design to fragment petals. It seems contrary. Obviously lead is the most poisonous of metals used in bullet construction but is there no toxicity associated with copper and/or brass we wondered?

Ben did say he head or neck shoots most of his deer.

I’d add the fact that in my hill rifle, a 30:06 I also use biometal (versus monometal) bullets via factory non lead Geco Evo rounds that are copper with a twin tin core. This because they reviewed top in the Fieldsports Britian research piece, my Sako 85 liked them and they were the least expensive brand my dealer said they were getting a relatively consistent supply of.
These rounds I have used on around 20 reds and 20 roe in the last 14 months and they seem to create a bigger wound channel and exit wound than the lead I was using previously in that calibre.
However, associated with the above another stalking colleague who is also a vet @Selous also mentioned that the greater fragmenting nature of these biometal bullets was slightly at odds with whole non toxic drive. Incidentally some years ago he put a deer shot with lead in the chest through his MRI scanner and the image showing the sheer amount of very tiny lead fragments over such a large area was at the very least enough to make you sit up and listen to the whole non lead subject.

It has made me seriously consider moving away from the Geco rounds.

Interested in people’s thoughts.
I bought a box , took one for making a dummy round in 6.5 and made none to shoot , still get the box with all its mates . i think they are not imported into the UK?
 
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