Stalker62
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It was indeed Bismarck.
Here is another gem from him:-
“People never lie so much as before an election, during a war, or after a hunt.”
Otto von Bismarck
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Here is another gem from him:-
“People never lie so much as before an election, during a war, or after a hunt.”
Otto von Bismarck
Always stay vigilant to this. Don't assume because it has never happened it wont. I think a dangerous time is if you load and mount the rifle to a deer on sticks, but for some reason want to move position or the deer moves. Buck fever and the excitement levels can be high.
Only remove the safety catch when going to take a shot. Always check the safety before you unmount and re-shoulder the rifle.
Only remove the safety catch when going to take a shot. Always check the safety before you unmount and re-shoulder the rifle.
Foxyboy43
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After clearing your gun and proving it safe - NEVER PUT THE MAG/ and/or bolt back in place and if guiding insist your guest does the same. If you are getting into any vehicle with someone make it your mantra to put the bolt and mag somewhere in plain sight (consul) thereby demonstrating the gun is totally safe or if alone simply set them on the empty seat beside you. The best safety measure yet invented is the separation of the bolt from the firearm - this practice should also be enforced on encountering any obstacle when in the field. Everyone’s safety and common courtesy requires nothing less.
I'm sure that I was told that the most dangerous time is when loading a round, as per Liveonce's experience. I see muzzle awareness more often when unloading, than loading.
I also like the concept that your guns have a habit of loading themselves once every seven years, so check that today's not that day.
And I carry one of these in my shooting bag and my civvy bag. (I live in East London; it gets a bit stabby round here). A woman in our local park had a seemingly innocuous accident falling off her bike, but ended up bleeding out and dying; one of these might have saved her.
I also like the concept that your guns have a habit of loading themselves once every seven years, so check that today's not that day.
And I carry one of these in my shooting bag and my civvy bag. (I live in East London; it gets a bit stabby round here). A woman in our local park had a seemingly innocuous accident falling off her bike, but ended up bleeding out and dying; one of these might have saved her.
Ade8mm
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It should not need a course to imbue this, it should be a sine-qua-non but it is good the DSC reinforces it
timbrayford
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Its amazing that with our absurdly bureaucratic gun laws there is no formal requirement to take any kind of safety training nor pass even a basic safe handling test.
Unfortunately not everyone grows up with guns and safety
James0586
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I witnessed a ND once before whilst out in a hide goose shooting. My mates father in law... he’s in his 60s and shot for years it was Not a pleasant experience as he nearly blew our heads off!
Luckily nobody was injured however all involved needed a change of pants!
All jokes aside this is basics. Keep safe
Luckily nobody was injured however all involved needed a change of pants!
All jokes aside this is basics. Keep safe
Cops and robbers always use bullet proof car doors
Last year I went to a large commercial clay ground to practice on their game towers before the game season. Walking towards the shop / clubhouse there’s a bloke sat at one of the wooden benches, with his air rifle and he puts it onto the bench on a bipod and proceeds to aim and my father and I. My old man is an ex armed copper so I have had firearms safety drilled into me from a young age, I am not sure my Dad notice but I bloody did and asked the bloke what the fk he was doing to be told “don’t worry mate, it isn’t loaded”. He very nearly went home with the the rifle shoved sideways up him....in my discussion with him I established that he doesn’t have a SGC or FAC so at least he can only hurt people with low power air rifles but that’s not really the point, he genuinely didn’t realise why I was so angry with him
A lot of tales on hear about NDs
Those looking from the outside in ....................
Sometimes our tales and stories do our community no favours at all
Brain in gear before gob opens and fingers hit keyboards????????
We all know the score
But have you heard the rumours about this ................................
Not a poke at anyone . But I hope you understand what I mean
Kjf
Those looking from the outside in ....................
Sometimes our tales and stories do our community no favours at all
Brain in gear before gob opens and fingers hit keyboards????????
We all know the score
But have you heard the rumours about this ................................
Not a poke at anyone . But I hope you understand what I mean
Kjf
Good post from the OP especially with anything to do with safety.
It's our most important consideration when going out with any firearm.
Like everything in life in an instant we let our guard down or become complacent, like driving a vehicle it's all to easy to bump a wall break a taillight or much worse.
I remember reading somewhere there are two kinds of shooters one that has had an ND and the other who's going to have one, I am in the former category thankfully luckily I got away with it and no people stock or property was harmed.
I became complacent and the incidence still haunts me today, it was many years ago but still fresh in my mind.
So to my fellow stalkers good luck and safe hunting.
D
It's our most important consideration when going out with any firearm.
Like everything in life in an instant we let our guard down or become complacent, like driving a vehicle it's all to easy to bump a wall break a taillight or much worse.
I remember reading somewhere there are two kinds of shooters one that has had an ND and the other who's going to have one, I am in the former category thankfully luckily I got away with it and no people stock or property was harmed.
I became complacent and the incidence still haunts me today, it was many years ago but still fresh in my mind.
So to my fellow stalkers good luck and safe hunting.
D
I'm confused. At first you say don't use grid references then you say do.
"mountain rescue services". Not relevant to all of us and W3W is easier to use. Let Mountain Rescue convert it, they're far less likely to muck it up than someone who doesn't use lat/long on a regular basis. In fact I'd wager that if you took several 'Joe Bloggs' out of their home ground, put them somewhere wet, cold and windy and getting dark. Threw in an emergency involving blood and lots of screaming then asked them to note and convey a collection of twenty characters over a bad mobile phone connection not many would get it right first time. Lat/long is not an intuitive system for the uninitiated.
This was done to death a few months ago. Many if not most emergency services have or are moving to to W3W which being a collection of words rather than an unfamiliar string of digits (to most) is LESS likely to get mixed up. I use lat/long for a living so think I've a good idea of what comes more naturally, proper words or trying to 'chunk' 20 numbers and letters that have no mnemonics or other aides memoir to keep them clear.
I’ve not read the whole thread.
To my mind there’s a clear relationship between accidents like this, and the European habit of carrying a loaded rifle when stalking and relying on the safety, as loading a rifle when presented with a shot is regarded as too slow and/or too noisy. If you make a mistake and forget to check the rifle is clear before stowing it, the likelihood of there being a chambered round is massively reduced if you aren’t in the habit of loading one when you don’t need it.
There are YouTube videos of European hunters getting out of the car, removing the rifle from it’s case, chambering a round and slinging it over their shoulder and walking off. That’s a massive no-no in this part of the world. Here, if you accidentally shoot someone in circumstances like this, it means you’ve broken the rules of the Firearms Code, which you promised you wouldn’t do when you signed the firearms licence forms. So if you do you’re in deep shite.
We’ve argued about it ad nauseam on here before and believe me I can’t be bothered to do it again. So I’ll state it as an inarguable fact and if you choose to argue then you haven’t read this sentence properly.
Glad the guide is recovered, and feel some small degree of sympathy for the man that shot him, as sadly one of the common adages that applies universally to all mankind is “we all make mistakes”.
To my mind there’s a clear relationship between accidents like this, and the European habit of carrying a loaded rifle when stalking and relying on the safety, as loading a rifle when presented with a shot is regarded as too slow and/or too noisy. If you make a mistake and forget to check the rifle is clear before stowing it, the likelihood of there being a chambered round is massively reduced if you aren’t in the habit of loading one when you don’t need it.
There are YouTube videos of European hunters getting out of the car, removing the rifle from it’s case, chambering a round and slinging it over their shoulder and walking off. That’s a massive no-no in this part of the world. Here, if you accidentally shoot someone in circumstances like this, it means you’ve broken the rules of the Firearms Code, which you promised you wouldn’t do when you signed the firearms licence forms. So if you do you’re in deep shite.
We’ve argued about it ad nauseam on here before and believe me I can’t be bothered to do it again. So I’ll state it as an inarguable fact and if you choose to argue then you haven’t read this sentence properly.
Glad the guide is recovered, and feel some small degree of sympathy for the man that shot him, as sadly one of the common adages that applies universally to all mankind is “we all make mistakes”.
But you lot are not perfect are you Dave...
Going out onto public land shooting during the roar in NZ is notoriously dodgy, mainly due to your fellow countryman not always being too careful about quarry identification before pulling the trigger. Not sure how many hunting deaths you have a year but I would guess it's similarly low to the UK. We just do it in different ways.
If this was a thread about shooting a man that you thought was a deer, I’d be first in line to condemn those that pull the trigger, no matter where they lived.
But it isn’t.
hedge hunter
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We are all capable of mistakes in the heat of the moment. BUT too have a loaded rifle in the back of a vehicle THAT scares the crap out of me.that gun should only be cocked when ready.
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