Expanding bullets being removed from section 5……
New rules making section 2 obsolete?
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Rake Aboot
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As I’ve said before
Owning a shotgun is an entitlement for all people in the UK
It needs to stay that way.
Hopefully they can’t change that fact as they please.
Owning a shotgun is an entitlement for all people in the UK
It needs to stay that way.
Hopefully they can’t change that fact as they please.
enfieldspares
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Yes.
But the overall has been more restrictive. The above quote is correct in the way the trend has gone.
I am old enough to remember when C02 powered air weapons were s1 and when an FAC specified how much ammunition could be not only possessed overall but also acquired. Although of course in Scotland that free sale and possession of any air weapon has now been lost. Also the "estate rifle" provision has put into law what was actually, on many estates, common practice. So that is welcome.
But my oh my we've given up plenty of the cake in exchange for those small crumbs back in return.
Owning S1 and S2 firearms remains a right in the UK as far as I'm aware - it's just that those of us wishing to exercise it need to certificates of fitness to do so: and it is in the manipulation of the conditions for granting those certificates that the rightlike nature of the right is eroded.
We (and our organisations) need to keep an eye on that.
timbrayford
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Better to fight the good fight as individuals, there's too many silly buggers persuing their own pet projects at the head of shooting organisations, enough really has to be enough in that respect.
Rake Aboot
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Shotgun ownership is an entitlement.
You don’t need a reason , any reason , you simply apply and you have to be granted a sgc unless the police can come up with a good reason to refuse .
Not having a reason to own is not a reason to refuse.
I understand what you are saying but there is a difference between S1 ( right to own etc) and S2 ( must be granted because everyone is entitled to it)
Speaking of campaigning as individuals, as much as I respect and for the most part admire certain SD Member's Left-leaning Liberal values, I fear their seemingly blind trust in UK Authority (in 2025) to "do the right thing" as they see it is seriously misplaced.
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Heym SR20
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There is a lot of scaremongering going on. There are many good reasons to own firearms and shotguns. “Collecting” is a perfectly good reason, and there are many collectors of both shotguns and S1 Firearms who hold guns just for interest and value with no intention of ever actually using them.
“Collecting” is a good reason as recognised by the Police and Home Office.
A single ticket would streamline things hugely. Shotguns as a class of weapons are already defined in law. Merging S1 and 2 into a single ticket will require a change in law, and it is up to the shooting to lobby government with sensible approaches to allow a more streamlined licencing system, that allows legitimate users to continue to possess and use firearms fir legitimate purposes, whilst preventing firearms of any type falling into the wrong hands.
“Collecting” is a good reason as recognised by the Police and Home Office.
A single ticket would streamline things hugely. Shotguns as a class of weapons are already defined in law. Merging S1 and 2 into a single ticket will require a change in law, and it is up to the shooting to lobby government with sensible approaches to allow a more streamlined licencing system, that allows legitimate users to continue to possess and use firearms fir legitimate purposes, whilst preventing firearms of any type falling into the wrong hands.
We will all be royally fukced. !!!!Really?
What about the folks who have "amassed" a plethora of a shotguns before such conditions were a thing?
Is it fair to now impose the condition of "good reason" for each and every one?
If this this enacted, then I am Royally fcuked...
Sad to say it, again, but such an opinion isn't cynical at all
We are being targetted, again, by the ineptocracy (politicians) desperate to be seen to be doing something
Invariably the idiots impose changes which are at least pointless & all too often counter-productive
Legal firearms owners are an easy target, criminals or potential criminals not so easy - guess which one will usually be the focus of the authorities
And, far too many examples of misused firearms occurred when the authorities failed to implement existing legislation properly or effectively
Giving them another set of rules which they will probably fail to implement as intended is hardly going to solve anything
enfieldspares
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Just revisited this thread.
BASC and CPSA say that they both oppose aligning s2 with s1. However there's also those that will never let a "gravy train" pass by. So that's somewhere someone will endorse a new qualification.
CSC1 and GSC1 (Clay Shooting Certificate 1 and Game Shooting Certificate 2) is it to be? No CSC1 no SGC unless you can prove bought days on game (for which you'll be urged to have a GSC1 before booking).
And don't think there's a loophole for those claiming they need shotguns for crop protection from pigeons...oh no! That'll be a PSC1.
You read it here first!
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timbrayford
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You said it! Game shooter certificate
enfieldspares
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Benelli m2
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Another thing is if you fac holders thing it won't affect you as much as sgc holders then your wrong you won't just be able to purchase a shotgun on your existing fac
There will be ammo allowance reason for more than one shotgun etc it affect all license holders
Yes I'm talking as when it will happen not if it will happen
There will be ammo allowance reason for more than one shotgun etc it affect all license holders
Yes I'm talking as when it will happen not if it will happen
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