Night vision and law

[mealiejimmy]

Yeah, she wants native species that can provide high quality meat wiped out but is happy to have beavers re-introduced
Feckin tree huggers

Cheers

Bruce

 

[25 Sharps]

Yeah, she wants native species that can provide high quality meat wiped out but is happy to have beavers re-introduced
Feckin tree huggers

Cheers

Bruce

How many of the native reds carry sika genes? And are current roe stocks not largely re-introduced from Europe?

 

[foxdropper]

That’s going to really drive down game dealer prices .The handwringers will be devastated

 

[Tim.243]

How many of the native reds carry sika genes? And are current roe stocks not largely re-introduced from Europe?

How many members reds carry sika genes? are current roe stocks not largely re-introduced from Europe?

 

[25 Sharps]

How many members reds carry sika genes? are current roe stocks not largely re-introduced from Europe?

Well that depends on how far you want to go back Tim!

 

[Tim.243]

Well that depends on how far you want to go back Tim!

1961...........

 

[slider]

Hmm. The scottish legislation prohibits any electronic sights for deer shooting but the legislation well predates the advent and popular use of such electronic wizardry and needs updating - no doubt something very high on Kim’s legislative programme…

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it is, was one of the recommendations of the Deer Working group. However mein leader has other priorities in the next year or so.....

 

[Utectok]

Personally I don’t think night shooting and or thermal scopes are required for deer control. The existing legislation suffices and night shooting puts unnecessary stress on deer populations. I’m not sure my opinion will make any difference though

 

[Husky]

Which part of the Deer Act is this ?

@NullMac any chance of an answer ?

 

[Sealgair nam fiadh]

Have you had a reply from @NullMac ?
I too would be interested in the part of the Deer Act he is referring to.

 

[ashray]

in my county the local rabbit/pest controllers use night vision/thermal and the deer numbers have dropped drastically ,i wonder why,also the local game dealer gets his freshly shot deer at 0600 ,his opening time!!!

 

[mealiejimmy]

Using NV/thermal to shoot deer in Scotland at night is classic case of what the law says (it's illegal) and enforcement of that law (no-one appears to give a s**t)
I'd be interested to know how many, if any, prosecutions there have been for using an NV/thermal scope to shoot deer in Scotland
I suspect none

Cheers

Bruce

 

[Island]

Yeah, she wants native species that can provide high quality meat wiped out but is happy to have beavers re-introduced
Feckin tree huggers

Cheers

Bruce

Beavers / Lynx / Wolves / Bears etc benefit tree huggers (by generating "conservation grants / funding" and the gardening wing of the SNP (by making them feel good about themselves) but, most importantly, do NOT benefit Highland Estates.

Deer, Atlantic Salmon and Grouse most certainly DO benefit Highland Estates by providing an income stream.

Hence the DWG "Kill them All" report.

Hence the Aquaculture and Fisheries (Scotland) Act 2013 (which, in its 7000 word entirety uses the word "commercial" thirty times, the word "environment" once and NEVER mentions the words "protect", "protection" or "wild fish")

Hence the ignoring of the findings of the Werrity Report and proceeding apace with legislation designed to suppress Grouse Moor management.


She and her party are a toxic stain on Scotland. They will happily sound the death knell for some of our most important fauna if it means they can break the estates...

 

[Husky]

Have you had a reply from @NullMac ?
I too would be interested in the part of the Deer Act he is referring to.

No I haven't had a reply, he has been online and would have seen the notification alert.
I can only presume he knows that he is talking rubbish.

 

[Bugsy]

If it does get passed through Hollyrood and Thermal is allowed to shoot Deer it will be a matter of time and complacency will lead to wounded deer , lost deer , and dangerous shooting practices . Having shot plenty of foxes using thermal it’s always imperative that your shooting at the intended quarry and not something else . Listening to a lot of shooters there’s an idea that using thermal to shoot deer at night will lead to greater numbers being taken but in my experience deer aren’t long in realising that when a vehicle approaches it means danger and take cover or take flight especially in open ground even before the light has spotted them , using a thermal to spot the deer will work but not for long as it’s the noise of the vehicle which spooks them . So I wonder whether it will make a difference . Just my thoughts .

 

[foxdropper]

Is all culling in Scotland done off a vehicle ,just gets better .

 

[Bugsy]

Not all of it .

 

[mealiejimmy]

I've been using thermal to spot since 2014 and shoot since 2017 and as yet there are no thermals that can reliably tell the sex of a deer except when they are in velvet
On the various permissions I shoot, I see literally hundreds of roe deer, but for most of the year it is not possible to be certain whether you're looking at a buck or a doe.
Just now it's easy because the bucks are in velvet and the heat from the growing antlers is very visible.
However, for a larger part of the year there is no difference in the heat signature between a mature doe and a buck.
So, if NV/thermal is to become legal, what happens to close seasons?

Cheers

Bruce

 

[mealiejimmy]

Is all culling in Scotland done off a vehicle ,just gets better .

No, but pretty much all of the poaching is

Cheers

Bruce

 

[foxdropper]

I pictured convoys of contractors leaving perms on quads loaded with deer ,no .