Non stunned slaughter labels

[Malxwal]

How do you then find the killing of game acceptable scientifically?

It's not really religion overriding science.

If it's a debate of wit and for the sake of debate, I'm not the man for the job.
Furred game, in its natural environment, taken with appropriate tool such as rifle. It's nature, no different and no more traumatic than being hunted by predator.
Feathered game, shot on the wing, again no different, although if driven/flushed you could argue stress.
Fishing is actually one that potentially gives me issue, dragging by a hook in mouth or gills, or netted, not offering the relatively quick passing of the two aforementioned, harder to argue.
All not very scientific, I concur. However, the argument then goes to that of being against the influence of Islam.

 

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Done

 

[One on top of two]

No there not

we all think its muslim influence but what religion has the big money influence Jews are halal as well. PS I'm not being racist

 

[Apthorpe]

If it's a debate of wit and for the sake of debate, I'm not the man for the job.
Furred game, in its natural environment, taken with appropriate tool such as rifle. It's nature, no different and no more traumatic than being hunted by predator.
Feathered game, shot on the wing, again no different, although if driven/flushed you could argue stress.
Fishing is actually one that potentially gives me issue, dragging by a hook in mouth or gills, or netted, not offering the relatively quick passing of the two aforementioned, harder to argue.
All not very scientific, I concur. However, the argument then goes to that of being against the influence of Islam.

So now we're unhappy at the idea of religion trumping something that's not really science. As you say, let's not debate that.

I don't much care for Islam and think we'd be better off without it .However, I'm much more concerned about the harm done to society by the complete abandonment of basic, fundamental principles broadly grouped around freedom.

 

[Malxwal]

So now we're unhappy at the idea of religion trumping something that's not really science. As you say, let's not debate that.

I don't much care for Islam and think we'd be better off without it .However, I'm much more concerned about the harm done to society by the complete abandonment of basic, fundamental principles broadly grouped around freedom.

What exactly would you like to see, as regards Halal and food labelling ?

 

[tackb]

For me personally all I’ll say is religion has no place in animal husbandry or slaughter , and that’s all religions

But I’m one of those awful people that doesn’t believe in religion of any sort so what do I know ?

 

[Bo Diddley]

I'm firmly in the Richard Dawkins camp.

 

[Apthorpe]

What exactly would you like to see, as regards Halal and food labelling ?

If it's Halal, let it say that it is. If we're going further than that and labelling if food is stunned, then all the fish, shelffish and game also ought to be labelled as such - and apparently there's increasing evidence that we might need to consider plants too. But if you're doing that, then you ought to be labelling about a plethora of other welfare aspects, many of which will habe the effect of discriminating against farmers producing proper food....e.g. they live a long way from the abattoir, the animals love outdoors making accreditation harder etc etc.
On the whole, I think there is too much labelling and not enough brain being used. Hardly anyone reads the labelling. All it really achieves is to create barriers and costs to smaller farmers.

In a world where farmers are making virtually no money and consumers think they are paying too much, the continual process of adding more and more casts and regulation serves nobody well.

 

[Norfolk Horn]

It's not as simple as stunned or not stunned, there are different levels of stunning depending on if it is killed under religious requirements or by the requirements set by the government if not to be consumed by Muslim or jew.
I personally feel that Halal and kosher slaughter have no place in the country.
As a little foot note I'm a atheist so this opinion is definitely not coming from a religious point of view.
The meat I eat is mainly game I harvest or pork i buy, free range killed and butcherd by a local butcher . I have the occasional hogget for the freezer from a friend but that has not been slaughtered by Halal methods.
Rupert Lowe who a independent member of Parliament is having a right good go about this and is making changes in his own consistency with regard meat being supplied to schools and hospitals.
It's the abattoir number on the packaging that tells you how it was slaughtered.

 

[Klenchblaize]

A good thread to hopefully non-contentiously observe the negative impact the closure of so many small & local abattoirs is having on livestock and farmer wellbeing.

K

 

[Norfolk Horn]

Take a look at these numbers

 

[Malxwal]

If it's Halal, let it say that it is. If we're going further than that and labelling if food is stunned, then all the fish, shelffish and game also ought to be labelled as such - and apparently there's increasing evidence that we might need to consider plants too. But if you're doing that, then you ought to be labelling about a plethora of other welfare aspects, many of which will habe the effect of discriminating against farmers producing proper food....e.g. they live a long way from the abattoir, the animals love outdoors making accreditation harder etc etc.
On the whole, I think there is too much labelling and not enough brain being used. Hardly anyone reads the labelling. All it really achieves is to create barriers and costs to smaller farmers.

In a world where farmers are making virtually no money and consumers think they are paying too much, the continual process of adding more and more casts and regulation serves nobody well.

It certainly raises the question of how much people actually care or wish to know, and how little there is in the way of education as to where food comes from.

 

[Bo Diddley]

Take a look at these numbers

Interesting.
Rupert Lowe for PM, I like the chap, he speaks quite well.

 

[Apthorpe]

It certainly raises the question of how much people actually care or wish to know, and how little there is in the way of education as to where food comes from.

One has to wonder what planet these people inhabit. Halal meat is largely not packaged at all but sold at butchers' counters in Muslim shops. Possibly the majority of the buyers don't speak English, and of those who do there is very little reason to think they care at all for animal welfare.

 

[Bo Diddley]

One has to wonder what planet these people inhabit. Halal meat is largely not packaged at all but sold at butchers' counters in Muslim shops. Possibly the majority of the buyers don't speak English, and of those who do there is very little reason to think they care at all for animal welfare.

Well, that's a whole different problem from that of the ethical slaughter of animals. And much bigger, some would say.

 

[VSS]

Interesting.
Rupert Lowe for PM, I like the chap, he speaks quite well.

He's a prize w@nker, judging by some of the cr@p he posts online.

 

[enfieldspares]

Interesting.
Rupert Lowe for PM, I like the chap, he speaks quite well.

The same man as had his gamekeeper shoot his labrador Rupert Lowe?

 

[shakey jake]

There is an easy way to be sure you avoid halal and kosher, whilst still support british farmers

 

[Bo Diddley]

He's a prize w@nker, judging by some of the cr@p he posts online.

That's a strong response from you, VSS...

I was going to say "Rupert Lowe for King"

 

[Bo Diddley]

The same man as had his gamekeeper shoot his labrador Rupert Lowe?

I didn't know that. Was it his own Lab or his gamekeeper's lab?