Nottingham Murderer

[Nimrod1960]

So do I understand correctly that in failing to exercise an arrest warrant for nine months the Notts Police allowed a potential killer to roam the streets until such time he actually became a killer ? Usual multi agency cock up , lessons will be learnt blah blah blah.

I expect the lads , lasses, and others on the front line of policing would rather be arresting him, than giving non crime warnings to people who say what they (and the quiet majority) think on social media.

I see Chief Constable Kate Meynell of Notts Police spent over two years leading the services ( note not force) anti knife crime initiative , did a good job then.

My heart goes out to all the families of the deceased and injured.

 

[Stalker62]

I expect the lads , lasses, and others on the front line of policing would rather be arresting him, than giving non crime warnings to people who say what they (and the quiet majority) think on social media.

 

[Nickb]

I feel so sorry for the families involved knowing that it could possibly have been prevented if the police had carried out their job.

 

[maximus otter]

So do I understand correctly that in failing to exercise an arrest warrant for nine months the Notts Police allowed a potential killer to roam the streets until such time he actually became a killer ? Usual multi agency cock up , lessons will be learnt blah blah blah.

Scores of thousands of Failure to Appear (at court) warrants are issued every year:

"Magistrates in England and Wales issued more than 1,300 arrest warrants every week last year for people who failed to turn up to court, figures reveal.

Ministry of Justice figures show 70,586 failure to appear warrants were issued in magistrates’ courts in 2019, the equivalent of 1,357 every week."

More than 1,000 arrest warrants issued each week for court no-shows

The warrants can result in prison terms.

www.expressandstar.com

All the overstretched, under-resourced police have to do is work out which of those defendants is going to commit a murder in nine months' time.

maximus otter

 

[long_range_rob]

For every tragedy it is obvious how we could have avoided it when dozens of people have spent months examining in minute detail what went wrong. Hindsight is always perfect.

 

[Stalker62]

Hindsight is always perfect.

A lifetime ago, and I still remember the Instructor's words on the range at work:-


"The Glock has a foresight and a rear sight, it does not, have a hindsight".




Wise words that served me well.

 

[Stalker62]

For every tragedy it is obvious how we could have avoided it when dozens of people have spent months examining in minute detail what went wrong.

@long_range_rob

I also remember an Instructor at Training School (back in the days when recruits were actually trained).

"You will be required to make split-second decisions at work, that will take the Court of Appeal, ten years to establish whether or not you were correct".

I thought he was demonstrating hyperbole.

Turns out he wasn't ...

 

[Pete1774]

Scores of thousands of Failure to Appear (at court) warrants are issued every year:

"Magistrates in England and Wales issued more than 1,300 arrest warrants every week last year for people who failed to turn up to court, figures reveal.

Ministry of Justice figures show 70,586 failure to appear warrants were issued in magistrates’ courts in 2019, the equivalent of 1,357 every week."

More than 1,000 arrest warrants issued each week for court no-shows

The warrants can result in prison terms.

www.expressandstar.com

All the overstretched, under-resourced police have to do is work out which of those defendants is going to commit a murder in nine months' time.

maximus otter

As a former Special Constable I agree. Twenty odd years ago it was difficult for our rural Bedfordshire station to cope with the number of no-show warrants and that was in a relatively low crime area. Since then the front line number have declined and all the "efficiencies" in the world can't substitute for the hours it takes to enforce these warrants. Do people think the criminals just sit at home and wait to be arrested? "I've got a spare few minutes before tea break sarg so I'll just pop out and arrest that GBH suspect" The other thing that gets right up my nose is people blaming the police for lower than expected sentences. I seems that there is still the perception amongst some folk, and the gutter press looking for a cheap headline, that the police decide the severity of a sentence. "Police failed the family, murderer only got 15 years" ????

 

[tozzybum]

The court system is an embarrassing joke .The amount of scrotes getting suspended sentences or community service is laughable.
We have very serious laws with strong penalties that the crown prosecution service and magistrates do their damdest not to enforce.
Police officers bend over backwards to arrest these criminals but have to watch them leave court laughing at " the criminal justice system."

 

[sauer]

Slow disintegration of society
Non of “services” up to spec or fit for purpose
Red tape abound
Folk not getting arrested when known about or showing up when you call them
NHS crumbling 7hr waits in ambulances at the friggin hospital
Teachers killing themselves over school inspections hundreds more stressed to breaking point

Basically system is slowly but surely failing ….

Paul

 

[Apthorpe]

Scores of thousands of Failure to Appear (at court) warrants are issued every year:

"Magistrates in England and Wales issued more than 1,300 arrest warrants every week last year for people who failed to turn up to court, figures reveal.

Ministry of Justice figures show 70,586 failure to appear warrants were issued in magistrates’ courts in 2019, the equivalent of 1,357 every week."

More than 1,000 arrest warrants issued each week for court no-shows

The warrants can result in prison terms.

www.expressandstar.com

All the overstretched, under-resourced police have to do is work out which of those defendants is going to commit a murder in nine months' time.

maximus otter

Or team up with another policeman and arrest one of these people each per year.

 

[Stalker62]

Or team up with another policeman and arrest one of these people each per year.

I am afraid that your comment shows a lack of understanding with regards to current staffing/funding/training of Police UK.

I have taken the liberty of 'cut & pasting', this comment from another forum (which is, not unsurprisingly, also being discussed today).



"When I retired in 20XX as a dog handler, the local teams didn’t have times for warrants they were catching up on calls from the night shift, or days if working nights! I do remember when as a proby (probationer) going and getting warrants! But times did change."

 

[sikamalc]

I am all for the reintroduction of the death penalty.
DNA does not lie.

 

[timbrayford]

Scores of thousands of Failure to Appear (at court) warrants are issued every year:

"Magistrates in England and Wales issued more than 1,300 arrest warrants every week last year for people who failed to turn up to court, figures reveal.

Ministry of Justice figures show 70,586 failure to appear warrants were issued in magistrates’ courts in 2019, the equivalent of 1,357 every week."

More than 1,000 arrest warrants issued each week for court no-shows

The warrants can result in prison terms.

www.expressandstar.com

All the overstretched, under-resourced police have to do is work out which of those defendants is going to commit a murder in nine months' time.

maximus otter

If habitual criminals had to serve very long prison sentences instead of all this probation nonsense then the police would be better able to deploy what limited resources they have tackling serious crime.

 

[Ratel]

I understand this b.....d attacked a policeman.
I would have thought his capture would have been of priority to his mates in the service, and his superiors. Regrettably another failure. Definitely a case for the trap door and drop. But no, just take the.pills.be a good boy and we'll look after you and if you pretend to be better we'll let you out.

 

[Klenchblaize]

We reap what we sow and if it falls on shallow rain-starved ground is it any wonder things are as bad as they are?

K

 

[SimonDodsworth]

Scores of thousands of Failure to Appear (at court) warrants are issued every year:

"Magistrates in England and Wales issued more than 1,300 arrest warrants every week last year for people who failed to turn up to court, figures reveal.

Ministry of Justice figures show 70,586 failure to appear warrants were issued in magistrates’ courts in 2019, the equivalent of 1,357 every week."

More than 1,000 arrest warrants issued each week for court no-shows

The warrants can result in prison terms.

www.expressandstar.com

All the overstretched, under-resourced police have to do is work out which of those defendants is going to commit a murder in nine months' time.

maximus otter

Police, and all other public services will continue to be underfunded/overstretched until we get a government with the balls to raise taxes properly and stop the tax avoidance of the global giants. Phew! Now I can climb back down from my high horse

 

[Nickb]

I am all for the reintroduction of the death penalty.
DNA does not lie.

So am I Queue the leftys response to this

 

[Apthorpe]

Police, and all other public services will continue to be underfunded/overstretched until we get a government with the balls to raise taxes properly and stop the tax avoidance of the global giants.

Yet when our public services are given extra money, they produce worse services. There is no credible causative link between funding and outcome. We could spend three times as much on the Police or NHS and they'd still be a shambles, although the staff would be richer.

Phew! Now I can climb back down from my high horse

How much tax do you think people should pay? The state already consumes 45% of GDP, a figure so high as to be literally unsustainable, bleeding all the growth potential out of the rest of the economy. It can't reasonably consume more for a sustained period without destroying the country. There is a group of people not paying their way in this country at these levels of spending and that is the majority of the population. If we want to spend say 55% of GDP, then everyone ought to be paying 55% tax. It would do a lot of good if everyone paid the 47% tax that high earners pay already, if only to concentrate minds.
Trying to heavily tax companies is simply moronic. They either leave, reduce investment or employment, or slowly go bust. None of those outcomes is beneficial.


It's all very well calling for more, but I very much doubt you put your own hand in your pocket to pay more tax than demanded. So far as I can see, there is no number large enough to guarantee good public services.

 

[jall55]

So am I Queue the leftys response to this

It just would have not helped in this case though would it

I do agree though - where it 100 percent water tight - for example RIP Lee Rigby