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A picatinny rail will really necessitate a second hole in the forend. Tikka for example only supply with a single sling swivel. With the rules as they are then you can’t add a picatinny rai to the forend of many rifles without risking integrity of the attachment.

It came across as Bergarra favoured given Christian’s affiliation to the brand. Not many companies supply both a thread protector and brake for example. If a brake is supplied with no thread protector then no alternative can be used eg a silencer. If thread protector and brake supplied anything after market can be used even an after market brake.

There are picatinny adapters that utilise a single stud, albeit two is ideal we will agree.

No modern rules can accommodate older designs entirely, but they certainly aren’t designed to exclude anything, more to include the majority of platforms in current use.

As for brands, that’s just him using what he has to demonstrate the rules, nothing more than that.
 
I'm not arguing here, just trying to provide a somewhat "competitive perspective" since during last 20y or so I've seen the same evolution in other discliplines like IPSC. Personally I like to be competitive, but use equipment that is at least remotely practical in real world.


I think you can take that perspective, but the leading edge of innovation at the moment is certain manufacturers like Savage and Anschutz taking the chassis produced by MDT and slapping barreled action in it. More so for PRS, but there's e.g. Savage 110 Precision that weighs 9.5lbs and would fit 12lbs limit in NRL hunter.

Usually open class is driving the innovation, and factory class is productizing it.


It is and it isn't. Take IPSC handgun Production class as example.

In the beginning it was kind of entry level class where you could be competitive w/o reloading, tinkering your gun and so on. Then manufacturers like CZ and Tanfoglio introduced new pistols that were following the letter but not the spirit of Production class. Sponsor money and corruption ruled, and those pistols were admitted to approved list. For many years, Production has been "Standard lite" where you can modify your gun to large extent, and shoot factory ammo (Standard basically mandates reloading your own majos PF ammo, even though some shoot minor either reloads or special factory ammo). Also silly non-practical rules were introduced, like maximum capacity to be loaded in a mag. In part to limit the arms race, and to provide at least another small difference to Standard class.

Another innovation is Laugo Arms Alien, where they started to call non-reciprocating part of pistol "slide", since in some classes you can attach red dot to slide but not the frame. Yes it has some other features but that's the one that caught discussion.

All very logical, I’ve no doubt that the Bergara Elevate came into existence in no small part due to the Hunter events in the USA. Most likely the MG Lite too.

We can only focus on what we intend to do and we, without shame, will be asking manufacturers how they intend to develop platforms in the future for Hunter style matches.

Open and factory should drive innovation, but for different elements of the sport.
 
Competitions always skew the activity to winning - when, I suggest, we should be concentrating on learning and improvement

Winning is a blind tunnel - who gives a shi* if you win against a bunch of inexperienced shooters, or come last against a bunch of olympic contestants

Learning, however, opens the horizons

Infinitely

Compete and win by all means - but winning is not the prize

j
 
Competitions always skew the activity to winning - when, I suggest, we should be concentrating on learning and improvement

Winning is a blind tunnel - who gives a shi* if you win against a bunch of inexperienced shooters, or come last against a bunch of olympic contestants

Learning, however, opens the horizons

Infinitely

Compete and win by all means - but winning is not the prize

j

Exactly this! 👏🏻
 
One note on very quick browse through the rules. I doubt you will find many participants in Rimfire, if ammunition must be "standard SEALED factory ammunition". Same ("sealed") goes for centerfire ammo, but there it's only PF.
 
There’s a lot of trust we will give to our competitors. We will expect people to use ammunition with a documented velocity, that must be ‘factory’ in the truest of senses.

We won’t be checking people’s ammo packaging (we don’t at any other matches) but we expect them to be using safe and legitimate ammunition.

We have a solution to this! But we can’t announce it for a few days! 😉
 
There’s a lot of trust we will give to our competitors. We will expect people to use ammunition with a documented velocity, that must be ‘factory’ in the truest of senses.

We won’t be checking people’s ammo packaging (we don’t at any other matches) but we expect them to be using safe and legitimate ammunition.

We have a solution to this! But we can’t announce it for a few days! 😉

You have an ammunition sponsor who will supply free ammunition to everyone 🤣

In all honesty i would think that there is a lot of integrity in anyone attending when it comes to all of the rules. Hence me being a bit picky when it comes to some of them. They will be followed to the letter. No one wants to be DQ’d after all the expense and effort it takes to attend.
 
You have an ammunition sponsor who will supply free ammunition to everyone 🤣

In all honesty i would think that there is a lot of integrity in anyone attending when it comes to all of the rules. Hence me being a bit picky when it comes to some of them. They will be followed to the letter. No one wants to be DQ’d after all the expense and effort it takes to attend.

We know the sort of people who will be attending and that we can expect a high level of sportsmanship.

Now is the time to discuss the rules, seek clarification, as we want to make sure everyone is on that level playing field when we start!
 
Very interesting and a great development
As it’s for stalkers I would hope there any Southern events are not at peak times eg mid July - mid August or October
 
Very interesting and a great development
As it’s for stalkers I would hope there any Southern events are not at peak times eg mid July - mid August or October
Sadly I will not be taking part as my stalking rifle does not meet the power factor. It seems a rebarreled 243 can only be shot in skills.
Why is the power factor higher than the UK minimum? A keen hunter isn’t going to buy a factory rifle nor change his calibre purely to meet arbitrary levels for a competition.
 
Very interesting and a great development
As it’s for stalkers I would hope there any Southern events are not at peak times eg mid July - mid August or October
The competition is for all hunters, pest controllers, target shooters, anyone who wants to take part and has a bolt action rifle. We will run 8 matches in 2025. Two each quarter, so plenty of opportunity for everyone to take part around their other commitments.
 
Sadly I will not be taking part as my stalking rifle does not meet the power factor. It seems a rebarreled 243 can only be shot in skills.
Why is the power factor higher than the UK minimum? A keen hunter isn’t going to buy a factory rifle nor change his calibre purely to meet arbitrary levels for a competition.
You can shoot competitively in the Skills Division. You will have a leaderboard, trophies, opportunity to walk the prize table and places at the end of season Grand Slam, just as the other divisions do.
 
There’s a lot of trust we will give to our competitors. We will expect people to use ammunition with a documented velocity, that must be ‘factory’ in the truest of senses.

We won’t be checking people’s ammo packaging (we don’t at any other matches) but we expect them to be using safe and legitimate ammunition.

We have a solution to this! But we can’t announce it for a few days! 😉
Hard luck if their rifle isn't shooting factory very well.:norty:
 
The competition is for all hunters, pest controllers, target shooters, anyone who wants to take part and has a bolt action rifle. We will run 8 matches in 2025. Two each quarter, so plenty of opportunity for everyone to take part around their other commitments.

Whixh is precisely why I appeared to be a pedant in the discussion thread over allowing scoring in skills class

Without which would put many “normal non competitive” entrants without competition based weapons off as they may have felt excluded

Even if people do not take the step towards a comp based rifle, they can now participate against their peers, score and feel included

That can only be a good thing
 
Skills class for me

That way I get to have fun in a realistic setting; become more efficient with kit; learn from others; try out other kit and not be concerned about where I am in some league

i do hope it comes to Devon / Cornwall
I really do hope it comes to Devon/Cornwall and I mirror your thoughts on the Skills Class
 
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